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i, in no way, consider myself a breeder. but i do like to attempt to figure out whats the method to the madness. i see a pattern where the proven male is always who is line bred or inbred. down the line his sons get to prove themselves and carry on his legacy. he also has daughters that prove them selves but they seem to only go back into their father or a proven male from the family or crossed into another family. i seen some heavy honeybunch but it came down throught the males. does breeding back to the mother have a reverse effect as breeding back to the father??:confused:

 

i think that fathers usually get to prove themselves better bc they dont have to mother litters. thats not always true, you can look at queen of hearts and tornado among others as examples BUT they werent able to be bred as much as alot of other dogs. Thats the way i see it at least...

 

You know thats a good question one that I have went over in theory many times
Ive wondered if focusing on a key female and there best daughters will it help with yeilding better offspring(working wise) it seems possible

But on the other hand will it cause the male offsprings
Quality to decrease over time

Im very interested in others views on the subject

 

GOOD male dog bred to GOOD female Bitch= Best chance at Good offspring.

 

great male to great bitch gives best chance at good offspring

 

Im with you Naus!! Cuz IMO which ever is most dominate bitch or stud....an if both are hellraisers then u already kno but thats jus my opinion. But Ur best 2 ur best iz always gonna be the way to go....AS LONG AS U STAY TRUE TO U!

 

before 1976 , bitches were used as much as males . breeders bred good males to the bitch of theirs . if you wanted the best chances at puppies you breed thick blood of 1 line to thick blood from another . and these dogs they bred were checked good . then you had your best chance at getting good pups .

 

Whudup to everybody! Its a given u breed to best but y can't a female rep her own line a bitches? It seems to me that too many bitches get sat on just cuz they're "bred to produce". too many time I see an unproven bitch under a ch or gr ch. cuz her father and/or mother was that thang. But when u look at the males sometimes it don't skip da proof for five-six gen str8. What I'm think'n is that if, within that same line, u do them bitches the same way how u posed to miss when u stick them together?! It bang down either ch or gr ch for 5 gen str8 from red boy to barracuda. Is it anything even close to that bottom side??

 

bc good females dont have as many offspring as males do. u can breed a male to as many bitches as you want. look how many offspring frisco and some of these otehr dogs have. dogs like honeybunch have their own bloodline buts its not as easy when there are fewer dogs out there. The quality of the female is just as if not more important than the quality of the male bc she is responsible for a bit more of the pups genetic make up.

 

Best to best is a good way to look at it

But a female can be bred four times maybe, to different studs at that

Different litters of 1/2 bros and sisters to use for line breeding off the females blood

Just a theory though

 

That's my point, DP. When these bitches make POR/ROM them r the %'s u look'n for. Compare'n a bitches possible number of pups (let's say 60-70 if she lives eleven twelve yrs and u been breed'n her once a year since 1st heat) to the amount of pups it took frisco to ROM out, whitch of their ROM's would u rather get behind? I would be look'n to breed MY produce'n ass bitch to a male of similar %'s.

 

That's the way it looked down from honeybunch... But look'n at the way some breeders like to in breed them bitches don't need cut no slack either. If u don't ride every bitch the way u ride the males then u aint doin best to best cuz half them had it easy. IMO

 

how can u breed to a trait if u never looked at what traits ur bitch was show'n?

 

I have bred many a dog back to their dam.I use inbred sons of their dams.When I first got into these dogs,I obtained a mother 2 belly mate gyps and 2 sons of the same litter.All 5 where proven game an winners.I bred one to his dam the other to a sister the other gyp I put a Burton's GRCH Hank son over her,and have used their BEST sons back to them.I now have 5 famliys of these dogs that I blend with each other,and they have never lost any thing the dogs in the back of them are known for.Just my way thats all.

 

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Correct every bitch has to be a good one inorder to have a greater chance of success

 

I'm fond of breeders who are just as demanding of their females as they are of their males. I believe what others have said here - best to best means both dogs need to be of "best" caliber, not just the male. :dogkiss:

 

Dude this argument makes no Mathematical sense ROM is off percentages so number of CH's a male makes is more (period)

Female has less offspring proven less times. To me percentage is percentage. Plus males are stronger bigger and more athletic naturally, plus they produce with alot of different bitches. This proves it's their traits and not the traits of the combo. That's why all lines eventually come down to the males used. This is so you have a larger sample size to view traits.

Our forefathers in this game had the foresight for this argument, that's why ROM isn't a number but rather a percentage. :cool:

 

In order to have true quality you have to have Quantity when it comes to ROM. POR is one thing ROM well any dog can produce 1 pup that goes to good hands and make ROM and POR.

It takes a great dog to make 200 pups (alot of which go to shitty hands) and make ROM.

Best to Best period... But to your original question the top side looks that way because it's the natural order of things. A good bitch is just as important as a good stud but a woman aint a man, and a bitch aint a stud.

 

Excuse me talking out my ass from my cell phone...

Your right and I'm wrong... NO percentages involved so your argument soughta kinda makes sense.

Except for the following statements

Best to Best period... But to your original question the top side looks that way because it's the natural order of things. A good bitch is just as important as a good stud but a woman aint a man, and a bitch aint a stud..

. Plus males are stronger bigger and more athletic naturally, plus they produce with alot of different bitches. This proves it's their traits and not the traits of the combo. That's why all lines eventually come down to the males used. This is so you have a larger sample size to view traits.

Our forefathers in this game had the foresight for this argument,


and then I shoulda of said thats why their are different measures for females and males


Done typing for the day... Embarassed myself