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Fatal Flaws in Working Dogs

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by NGK, May 1, 2012.

  1. hammer head

    hammer head Top Dog

    Slim I get where your coming from BUT I ain't a breeder. Fast lane is a very very competitive sport. Sure every dog had its day, that being said it is the breeder who has to produce the best animal he can. It is THEN the keep and match can judge the outcome on that given day, at that given weight, at that given time and at that given place. Therefore it is a responsiblity to all involved to keep this at the fore front of the mind.

    Breeders would have the luxury of using his dog again if he's picked up or remains breathing. Dogmen don't get their money back.

    Like wise if a breeders stock won't get used in the fast lane if the ain't winning.
  2. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not a breeder either. It is way more of a hassle than I choose to endure. What i was saying is the breeder must know the dog, as well as the family of dogs to consistently produce competitive dogs. These can be winners, losers, tested, untested or brood. There is not a requirement to have winner as a title to breed your way into the fastlane. If only breeding 'winning' dogs gives one the warm fuzzies, so be it, but it is not a prerequisite to fast lane success. Most winning dogs come form non winning dogs. Basic math there.
    This will nip the thread but here goes. There a bitch that lost game to a hard mouth cur. The loser went on to produce a number of good dogs. The winner was purchased pit side for $$$$. In her next outing she hung it up in 20 minutes or so. She was bred in between those two outings. Do you want one of those winning bitch's puppies? or would you want one of the loser dog who just ran into a freak mouth cur? I know which way I went. Like I said, if the word 'winner' gives you the warm fuzzies, then so be it, but it is far more to it than just titles. S
  3. hammer head

    hammer head Top Dog

    I would buy a dog after a hunt but that would be to enter another hunt with said animal at a given weight. That's because I've seen her work and she had something that appealed to me. Breeding her and keeping pups wouldn't give me the fuzzies.lol.

    But a good rough game prospect would. I know folks breed best to best and they get dogmen knocking on their door. Likewise folks that keep families have their share of supporters. That's what keeps things fun!
  4. lansford101

    lansford101 Banned

    Interesting posts let's bring this one back
  5. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    Page 1, post #9 by Ben There could have ended the thread as far as I'm concerned. Said it all, IMO.
  6. The Handler

    The Handler Big Dog

    Thats a good question.I was looking at a dog,that was cow hocked.He looked to be the real deal,without any research.I asked myself,would I take a chance breeding. Thats hard wondering what defects that hender the mobility.(probally not)I dont like set backs,cost you 2years
  7. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    Bulldogs are built differently. Their builds are not connected to their hearts. One needs to just understand the difference between a dog built within normality and one with a deformity. What I have always preferred is a dog that can use what it has, better than the other dog can use what IT has. It's a little disappointing that so many people of the more current generations are bothered by things they shouldn't be concerned about in lieu of being concerned with things which really do matter in a bulldog.
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 3, 2015
  8. the.peon

    the.peon Top Dog

    Strongest dogs I've ever seen or had have been atleast slightly cow hocked. Don't judge a book by it's cover...that can land you in a world of heartache.
  9. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    This is true. I try to support as many shows as I can because it is a way to fend off the devils at the door. I have met some really nice people and seen some really nice looking dogs. I can say all the ones I have been to were really enjoyable.

    I had two cases where I just had to sit back and laugh. First I had a 2XW winning female who was near 9 years old. At 8 plus she would damn near spin the wheels off a slat mill and burn a carpet mill belt in half, I mean a real hard mill worker. They set the mill in the middle of the floor. She had dogs behind her. She wanted a shot at any and all of them. She tried to spin and get off the mill after the dog behind her. Guy tells me I need to work with my dog on completing the task she was asked to do. I asked to have the mill moved to the wall or get the dogs from behind her. I was told my dog was not ready for competition. As I said, I just laughed.

    The second one was even funnier. I put a gorgeous little male in the ring with my son as a junior handler. He won that class and then another and then another. My boy was on top of the world. Nothing could really top the day he was having. So in the last round, Best in Show, I think, the judge eliminated dog after dog. Each time my son and his dog made the cut. It came down to my son and our little buckskin Bolio dog against a grown man and his black male (who looked good as well). When I saw the other contestants T-shirt I nearly lost it, and laughed out loud. His shirt said Garner's Chinaman ROM with a picture of Chinaman. When it came to picking the BIS, Tom Garner picked the other guy.

    My junior handler (11) was deducted points because my little 10 month old was not being very social.

    Again I laughed. But I truly enjoyed myself.

    Side note. They gave my boy a plaque with a picture of him, the dog and Mr. Garner. The picture did not exactly fit and I moved it around to see my son and Mr. Garner. He replied, "move it back so I can see my dog and me, I don't care who that man is". I said, "Thatta boy"

  10. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    dog's in the wrong hands is a good 1 .
  11. bigeli

    bigeli Big Dog

    I almost past out laughing at that...lmao!!!!

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