fao jt ellison

i have this old picture given to me by red joes owner ... do you know who they are ?

 

Havent a clue youd need to ask Russell

 

he gave me what pictures he had left ....on the back it just had flynn and mayfield bitches ...i thought you might know ... thanks anyway

 

I now know the breeding of these dogs they were out of a bitch out of Joe/Slade sired by a dog out of Gar/Lisa this dog was a black dog with white feet and chest i believe the dog was owned by SKY who owned Buzz and CH Pirate , i thought the brindle dog looked like the bitch out of Joe/Slade but could see Pitbull in the dog which threw me until you told me the breeding

 

i think he ment they were 2 bitches ....one was mayfield bred and one was flynn bred ....seem to remember them being something to do with PW ??

 

The brindle one looks like the bitch Russell had out of Joe/Slade only heavier the other looks like the Mayfield dog they had only he was black were this ones brindle , i know PW had a dog out of my old Popeye dog and a Mayfield bitch out of Gar/Lena , the brindle in the photo isnt a pure stafford but like i said im sure they were from the mating Sky made by accident as the bitch was only young at the time . also neither dogs in the photo are pure Mayfield breeding

 

is it not pure because of the white in its feet etc ?? this one has mayfield bred on the back

 

No its not a mayfield dog because of its colour size bone structure and the fact that Mayfield dogs back then didnt carry that colouration . The dog in the last photo isnt a pure Mayfield bred dog either , it might have SOME Mayfield blood but its obviously carrying other blood , probaly Skipper or Reid blood

 

Sister to Slade & Mayfield dog from Mo.
Nelson. (Jessie x Boss Hog bred sire.)

 

May not be Nelson !!

 

I never knew MO bred Jessie to Boss hawg ? or that she was bred to any dog outside his yard , as for the brother to Slade that could be as the dog looks like the bitch Russel had out of Slade , i saw Slade but dont rightly remember what she looked like , now you got me confused which ones which ?

 

Do you mean this Slade?

 

That could be Slade ? her owner brought her to my place many years ago with the intention of breeding her to Wolf howevor the mating never took place , her owner was a man called Peter if i remember correctly , he kept the bitch as a pet . The two dogs in the photo confuse me which one is the Mayfield bred dog and which is the brother to Slade and when was Jessie bred to Boss Hawg ?

 

Sister to Slade is Cass. There was two Cass's i believe from similar breeding. This Cass is out of Paddy x Judy. You are right on the owner as i have a photo of him with her.
She is the one of similar type & markings to Slade. As you say,they may well have other blood in the mix.
I never said Jessie was bred to Boss Hog. I said Jessie to a sire from Boss Hog breeding. R owned a littermate to the dog in photo. Of course no one keeps records such as yourself,but i would find it hard to disbelieve my friend.

 

I owned a bitch out of Paddy x Judy called Abby , she looked nothing like the bitch Cass . I dont believe Boss Hawg was ever bred but could be wrong , which of the two dogs is the supposed Mayfield dog as neither look like any pure Mayfield dog i ever saw . Im not saying what your friend told you was wrong but dogs bred like the one your telling me about being from Boss Hawg breeding would breed very true to type as they are from a very clean pure genetic pool that throws true to type and colouration , maybe im going to be educated and im always willing to learn anything new about gamedogs , yawl got me intrested so i will get back to you after speaking with MO

 

I trust my friends word as i do my own & as he was around them dogs then only his memory may sway the truth.
I will take your word on Abby being of a different type to similar bred offspring,mentioned above.
My friend said it "may" be Nelson & after looking at the peds,Nelson's dam is down as a full sister to Boss Hog,with Jessie being gr-dam on the top. Therefore if it is Nelson,then he is not too far away & is right in him being a Mayfield bred dog.
The other red dog,he said came from Mo.
I appreciate your interest in the man behind them dogs but we are straying from the topic of "the stafford" so i won't upset the fanciers on this section with anymore talk. Whatever the truth to them pictures i have no interest & was only putting someones view across,which was slightly different to your own.
By all means correct the stafford info & if either Slade,Cass & Abby were bred
different then say so.

 

I your post you said Sister to Slade and Mayfield dog sired by dog out of Jessie and Boss Hawg the dog called Nelson , I said i owned a sister to Slade called Abby i never mentioned anything about them having different pedigrees only that my bitch did not look like her sisters . Now in your next post the dog May be Nelson and the other Red dog came from MO , so neither is a sister to Slade and both are now Mayfield bred dogs a completely different statement from what you posted at first . I have no intrest in who the man is holding the dogs nor have i showed any , i was asked about the dogs and YOU came and said how they were bred then changed your mind and the sex of one of the dogs in the next post . All i did was question your post as i dont believe either dog is pore Mayfield and neither does MO , if you dont know or were not there then dont comment on things you have no knowledge about as for the breeding of ABBY or SLADE i never said there was Anything to correct

 

This is what you wrote & in which you say "I NOW KNOW THE BREEDING OF THESE DOGS".
Once pointed out that the dog was Cass & she was a full sister to your Abby,well your tune sharp changed.
Hey i totally agree on your statement above,regarding Cass & bow down to you.

 

"I SAID" sister to Slade & Mayfield dog out of Jessie x a Boss Hog bred male. NEVER did i say the dog was out of Boss Hog & i have repeated myself twice to you now regarding that.
True,you never mentioned anything of different pedigrees regarding Abby or siblings & only that Abby did not look like her sisters.
READ MY POST ORIGINAL POST AGAIN !! The names or breeding i mentioned were in order of the photo's. Is that hard for you to comprehend ?
You were asked about the dogs & you replied as to how they were bred. YOU WERE WRONG !! I know that sure is hard for a grown man like yourself to take in,but hey,most all of us are wrong at one time or another. Only difference is that "you" are the only person who cannot be wrong...........ever.
I don't believe i have changed the sex on any dog in them pictures.
I don't have a problem with you questioning my post & i honestly do not give a monkeys if Mo questions it too. Anyone's mind would be confused if they peddled as many dogs as himself.
I was not there & do not personally know,but neither was yourself,so please "if you don't know,or were not there,then you don't comment".
Now,answer me a question & in truth.
Are you on medication which alters your mental state ? If so,then i truly apologise if i have caused any offence.
Adios

 

Finito your so full of bullshit you must wear a snorkle to breathe , you said SISTER to Slade and Mayfield DOG callked Nelson then changed it to TWO Mayfield dogs which means the sex of one of the dogs had changed from your first post ? Then you changed from Nelson to it MAY be Nelson . all i asked was which one were you saying was the sister to Slade and which was the pure Mayfield dog , a simple question as neither looked like a Flynn bred BITCH to me , suddenly the sex of the sister to Slade changed in your next post and she became a Mayfield dog from MO . I simply asked you to explain which dog was which nothing else , as i did not believe what you were saying about ONE being a SISTER to Slade (staff bitch) when its obvious to even Ray Charles both are males , and the other being a PURE Mayfield dog which even to Stevie Wonder its obvious it was not . The fact you then get all cissy fitting and personally attack both myself and MO confuses me , i have known MO over thirty years and noone has done more for gamedogs than he has , we wouldnt have a gamedog scene in England had he not brought the staffords Paddy , Red Warrior , Frazer , Irish Jack , Mandy , CH Mitsi , Judy from Ireland and bred such dogs as Joe ,Leo , Rocky ,Ginger , CH Molly etc etc etc and every single stafford or crossbreed has some of his blood behind them , there wouldnt be ANY working stafs were it not for MO . And you call him a confused peddlar , well fool he matched more dogs that YOU ever will both here and in the USA against top competition , dogs like CH BJ , Billy(won2x in USA) ,Two Toes(won2xinUSA) CH General , plus a few good ones that carried his breeding GRCHShelly ,GRCHNikki ,CH Max ,CH Pirate ,CH Duke ,Tuko who won over Limeys Crippen were all hald MOs breeding plus dozens of other wellknown game dogs . Were it not for MO bringing dogs from Ireland then dogs from the USA we wouldnt have a gamedog scene in England he did more for the game than anyone and certainly more than YOU . I remember when that fool posted a silly post on here claiming to be me and ONLY YOU believed it was me and what did you say in reply you fool , i hope FOR YOUR SAKE im still waiting to hear you explain the FOR YOUR SAKE comment , you can PM me if you like , i will give you MOs number when you do coz hed like to hear you tell him hes confused and a peddlar , unless your able to debate about dogs without posting things that are not FACTS like the sister to Slade that nows a Mayfield dog but isnt a Mayfield dog then just keep quiet or the dog bred down of Jessie and Boss HAwg that wasnt , and the Mayfield dog that changed from a Flynn bitch to a Mayfield dog that now came from MO but didnt , no wonder MOs confused . Maurice Dann did more for gamedogs than anyone that he was controversial in his views thats true but he was also a gentleman who helped more dogmen get started , provided security for shows finance for those in trouble bred hundreds of great dogs and some shit ones lol but most of all he was a entertainer that DID match dogs into the very best competition here and in the USA and only you Finito whos record must be far superior to his can call him confused and a peddlar without ever having met the man , this shows everyone your understanding and sheer lack of respect for a man who had he not been in the game there simply wouldnt be a game