Do you guys think any Tom, Dick , or Harry that picks up a Stratton book and becomes

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ok fellas but can we agree that a the average joe doesnt need a dog from die hard game lines?? i mean shit why do that too yourself why take the risk?? one none game line that i know a few folks have in ok is Thomason blood most are laid back nice lookin dogs ive seen more than a couple that i liked. liked enough too feed. im not even sure where the Thomason bloodline comes from but ive liked the few ive seen.

 

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well I think we all must ask yourself the question, what if that first bulldog that we all have feel in love with was not ever owned? At some point we all did not know it all about these dogs nor do we still. Before I ever owned a bulldog I had family that had been raising bull dogs for as long as I could remember and once I caught the bug, he did not just give a dog to me he brought me along slowly helped take care of his dogs and before my first dog he gave me the world of the american pit bull terrier, told me read it, know the history of these dogs. True in deed these dogs are not for everyone and education and understanding is a must when it comes to this breed we love.

 

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To keep it straight to the point. Get the dog that is used and proven in the way you're going to use it.

 

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Owning a bulldog is not the problem like gh said who are we to tell anyone what they can and can't own dogs are property and people can do what they want with them. Ignorance, lack of experience, and lack of education is the problem. Just like guns we can't control whose hands they end up In but we can properly educate someone on how to properly use and keep one. Same thing goes with bulldogs that's what these forums are for to help educate everything else is learned through experience which comes with failures and mistakes along the way.

 

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Exactly Sadie good post....Anyone can own a bulldog for whatever reason they want, the main issue is about being a RESPONSIBLE owner.

 

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Wile avid owners of the APBT under stand Hot dogs compared to laid back ,
But if talking APBT for the unknowing new owner with a pup . It matters not if the dog is hot or LESS HOT -
Just having an APBT leaves you open to the same need of responsibility . A situation at 100 %
or 40% with a Pit is a situation beyond the ability of a first time owner.
I'd say a Pit at 25% ZEST surpasses most any dog owners past dog experiences.

My rule is

 

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yeah i know a dude that is heavy into the weight pulls and every once in awhile will have a litter and will advertise in the paper and sell too the public his dogs are pretty laid back and not really animal aggressive at all they mostly go back too chevy red dog wich is some weight pull shit and eddingtons whopper wich are known curs but in his ads he always says no 1st time pit owners cuz even he knows better and dosent want too set his pups up for failure!!

 

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My first mentor was no other than STRATTON,as he opened my eyes to understanding where my dog came from.
I lived in a city where pitbulls were banned and had no real exposure to any real dogs or info to boot...
I hated dogfighters.I read the big brown coffee table book and come to realize hating dogfighting is to hate where my dog came from.I dont understand how some one has a "PIT"bull and can hate the "PIT" in them...
I dont hate my grandfather for fighting for our freedom,why would i hate a dogfighter for the same thing.
I realize that you dont have to agree with it.But if you own and like the best breed in the world,that you better learn to understand where they came from and thier tendicies...
I still dont agree with most dogfighters of today,i think STRATTONs books help show the sportsmanship that is seldom heard of these days.
I didnt have a physical mentor and Strattons books romantasizing about bulldogs intrigued me.
I notice alot of dogmen in areas where theres alot of dogs, lack proper everything as they had no guidence and could greatly bennifit from his books as i did.NOT A BETTER AUTHOR OUT THERE ON THE SUBJECT...

 

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Never had a problem with people owning anything they want, besides herpes, i dont want anybody to own that nonsense but it's not about people owning them as pets. Hell I know a guy who owns a bear, a racoon, a wolverine and has 2 bulldogs. They are his pets, but his one of the most responsible men I know. He owns much land and is able to care for his property. My issue isnt' that people that get them as pets it's that some people don't know what they're getting. It's no different from when I see little city couples get a herding dog or a terrier because it's cute and doesn't understand the functions of the dog and what's bred to do. Just had this conversation with a neighbor. She went and got a darn beagle because they watched foxx n the hound with their young child. I said I hope you got one from a show person, they clammed on why they didnt and how it was cheaper from this other guy. Well the other guy owns a little piece of farm and hunts with his beagles and often has puppies he will sell or give away when he tired of feeding them she didnt understand what i meant until the spring hit and all the critters started coming back out and all night long from inside the house howling, or outside digging holes under the fence to get free and even chewing thru their wooden fence to get to the woods. I reminded her, she got him from a hunting man, that dog has been bred to death to smell and hung down varmints and with all these woods it's plenty of it that's why he howls all night and wants to get free to track them. She said oh, well what was her plan?? to breed to him to another neighborhood beagle so they can get their money's worth out of him and give him back.. Same BS that most bulldog owners do once they realized they got more dog then they bargain for.

 

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:goodposting:

Very well said....:cowboyclap:

 

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Yes he has tried to educate him self and he has to start somewhere I really think the ' Real ' dogs bread for quality are smarter then any other dogs I look for a dog that listens and aims to please over a retarted Tasmanian devil nut any day ..I watch, the smart dog seems to find the weakness in the nut ..Anyways if we claim to breed the best they should be the best by far at any simple task including watching over your house / kids etc. ..And I wish I could of found a great dog on my first try ..This also stops some crap breeder from selling him one because if he has the Money he will get a dog ...

 

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She is a real class act ..I hope she does not breed herself

 

I don't feel that way about the books. I believe it's a way for people to learn about the breed. I did t know any breeders only people I knew with Bulldogs were corner thugs. I read everything I could on the apbt. Got every book and I appreciated the breed and its history and the men that shaped it. I did not feel I knew everything and never considers myslef a dog man, even after having many different dogs. Granted I do agree some that read a book in apbt act like they know everything there is to know.

 

I just want to know who's been appointed to say who deserves one and who doesn't. Is there a gamedog guru in charge of this I'm unaware of? Lol.
I know plenty of people who own a game bred dog as merely a pet without incident that take better care of their dog than quite a few of the people many put on a very high pedestal that cant even be bothered to clean a water dish, pick up the mounds of dog shit in its area or garbage in their dogs chain spots let alone tell someone what they can or can't have. The reality is, only a fraction of a percentage of these dogs are in working hands. The vast majority are simply someone's pet, buddy, house dog. It's no one's buisness to be worried about the next man and what they do or don't do. Also, reading a book/s is always beneficial but it does not compare to hands on expierence with one no matter how eloquently the auther writes. I can read a book about surgery, that don't make me a surgeon.

 

Well said and I agree.

 

As most have said "good Post GH" .... he made good points and AGK also made some, I think reading a few stratton books along with some other books can be VERY beneficial with owning the breed. I am not saying all books are positive. I really enjoyed reading Ed's book, he sent me a copy when i was on vacation. there were a few articles in that book that hit closely to my experiences espeicially the write up about Ronnie but, thats a bit off topic. When owning the breed i feel the more you research the better...with that being said you will never truly understand them until you have " hands on " experience.. Sad thing is that most dont realize what they have until the animal matures. The PBB is a great "tool" when owning bulldogs...from housing,matron,aftercare!!

RnR & AGK said it BEST with the closing sentences on their posts "RnR .. Same BS that most bulldog owners do once they realized they got more dog then they bargain for" "AGK ..Also, reading a book/s is always beneficial but it does not compare to hands on expierence with one no matter how eloquently the auther writes. I can read a book about surgery, that don't make me a surgeon" Most of you young'ns should take note to some of this ! I strongly reccomend reading up on Chain Set-ups and housing. When ppl post peds on here the first thing i look at is how the animal is housed/chainsetup/health then i read the pedigree.

 

great post AGK...

I would have to say that I noticed the people whom seek out knowledge from all walks of life
from observing people and dogs to reading books can only make for a more complete individual...

I rather have the surgeon that is seasoned and mastered in many facets over a fresh graduate
with a 4.0...

Greatness is often reached through practice,,, patience and education...

A recent documentary on Vick has a good example how him learning the game of chess bettered him as a player and overall individual,,,
carloina kennels Joe used this ideology in the eighties when beat tant...

Joe said he read about chess and not until he played with good to great players did he fully understand it and how the strategy can be used in
everyday life...

 

Absolutely. I don't want to come across like I'm saying folks interested in the breed should not be reading everything they can get their hands on, they most certianly should. It betters the chances you'll know what your getting into before jumping right in.

I typically come across 2 walks of life. Those who are book smart, whom are usually not very street smart and most times totally lack common sense and those who are street smart, have plenty of common sense but lack in actual intelligence. Very few have both. I myself learned much more with the hands on way more so than I ever did by reading. However, I did read everything I could get my hands on for years as a teenager before I aquired my first dog. I didn't stop reading when I got one, two or ten, it's a continual thing that never ends as things advance and change over time.

A very wise man once told me, once you think you know everything it's time to start back at square one because you don't know shit. Learning should never cease no matter if your at the top or the bottom of the ladder with these dogs, or any subject for that matter..

I would never suggest to anyone just run right out and get you a bulldog without at the very least, knowing in advance, what your getting yourself into and the basic 101's on proper care and containment. These dogs really are not for everyone and them being the #1 breed to fill up the shelters shows just how true that is and how many people get one and find out the hard way they are more dog than the average pet owner wants to have to deal with daily. The dogs are the ones to suffer in the end due to people's total ignorance on the breed traits or even worse, they just ignore that facts that come along with the breed.. A very sad reality for millions of dogs every year, both in the shelters and also at the end of an officers pistol or shotgun.

 

I read something the other day on Facebook, where someone, a game dog owner, basically said that if you have not worked your butt off on a yard (feeding, picking up poop, putting a dog back together etc) you don't deserve a game dog

I personally think that's a flawed logic

 

At this moment I get most from books. It's just kind of a hobby thing for now, reading about these dogs. When I compare books to replies on in-depth topics it becomes very clear most content in the books is only like scratching the surface. Especially behavioural topics...
Books aren't enough IMO, I'm not ready at all. But hey, besides brief interactions/conversations I only read, so what do I know? :p