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Do animals have rights under the United States Constitution?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Saiyagin, Dec 26, 2013.

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  1. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Controversial topic lets get it going lol.

    can some mod fix my spelling error on the title? thanks
     
    Saiyagin, Dec 26, 2013
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  2. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Re: Do anjmals have rights under the United States Constitution?

    I believe in animal welfare not animal rights. Animals have 2 rights, 1. To entertain or work for me and 2. To be on my dinner plate. As far as the consitution I dont know it by heart but i dont recall anything about animals in it.
     
    AGK, Dec 26, 2013
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  3. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    We still have a constitution?
     
    TDK, Dec 26, 2013
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  4. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Re: Do anjmals have rights under the United States Constitution?

    What is the difference between animal welfare and animal rights?
     
    Saiyagin, Dec 27, 2013
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  5. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    We use to , its mostly void right now LOL
     
    Saiyagin, Dec 27, 2013
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  6. Dunlap 1

    Dunlap 1 Big Dog

    I agree with you 100%.

    LOL I thought it was just a piece of paper with a bunch of dead guys signatures. Our government makes up the rules as they go. If they make a law they don't like, they just make a new law to counter it.

    As to the OP, Where did you get this? lol
     
    Dunlap 1, Dec 27, 2013
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  7. shotgun wg

    shotgun wg Big Dog

    Not under the constitution. It was written for the people. Dogs were nothing more than stock at that time. A tool to be utilized same as a horse or cow. All the animal rights crap are laws developed by the court system and politicians. That dog has no rights granted by the US constitution.


    Shotgun
    Arkansas
     
    shotgun wg, Dec 27, 2013
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  8. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    That's true. Laws and constitution are not even similar. In fact, many of our latest laws go completely against the constitution. Sign of the times. We're headed to a bad place, and fast.
     
    TDK, Dec 27, 2013
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  9. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I don't feel animals should have rights per say as they are property and obviously can't vote and if you believe in the bible then you also would believe they were put here for us to use but at the same time it is a living creature that we have domesticated to work for us etc. therefore a certain amount of responsibility is expected if your going to own them like feeding, sheltering general care and such. I don't feel any type of work done with dogs or animals in general for that matter is cruel whether its herding sheep or in the square however, if you catch a dog on fire or starve a domesticated animal to death or torture one then I do feel one should be held accountable for that. It's a fine line I suppose but the difference between the 2 would be in the severity of the punishment between ones rights and ones welfare, in this case animals.
     
    AGK, Dec 27, 2013
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  10. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    So are you saying one should treat a animal well/properly before its on our dinner plate? LMAO

    Or are you picking and choosing which animals have more or less rights then others animals?
     
    Saiyagin, Dec 27, 2013
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  11. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    No what I am saying is that if you are going to own animals of any kind then you are responsible for them or don't own them, even our food is fed and cared for until being slaughtered. I think to kill an animal simply to kill it or torture and maim it for no purpose other then ones own sick jollies is wrong. What I am saying is that just because they are property ( or that's how I look at them) they still should not be allowed to be abused in sadistic ways. Just because I own my home does not mean I would not get in trouble for burning it to the ground purposely. When you start talking rights though you take it one step further and people start taking certain aspects way too far like 7 years for dogfighting in my opinion is ridiculous when involuntary manslaughter carries a lesser sentence typically. However if you and 3 of your buddies beat a lab in a parking lot with sticks and bricks simply for something to do on a Friday night as entertainment then your sick ass should go to jail, maybe not for 7 years but being civilized has to have certain boundaries IMO.
     
    AGK, Dec 27, 2013
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  12. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I don't feel that the tree huggers of this country should be put in charge of enforcement of how people take care of their animals either though, as most of them think simply owning an animal is cruel and what ones idea of what is or isnt cruel varies from person to person.
     
    AGK, Dec 27, 2013
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  13. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Your thought process really intrigues me AGK.....Everything you just said sounds exactly how the majority of the general population views people who fight animals.
     
    Saiyagin, Dec 27, 2013
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  14. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Because they know nothing about it.
     
    AGK, Dec 27, 2013
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  15. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Or is it because of "Ones idea of what is or isn't cruel varies from person to person"?

    Your second to your last post contradicts your post above it LOL.
     
    Saiyagin, Dec 27, 2013
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  16. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    I believe in animal welfare to. and I agree with everything AGK said.
     
    david63, Dec 27, 2013
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  17. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    I agree with AGK's sentiments, and I do so in this manner: I believe all critters deserve fair and ethical treatment in specificity to what they are. I believe we have 3 basic groups of animals, socially speaking. Wild animals, domesticated stock animals, and domesticated animals for our homes, to include guard, watch, herding, and whatever they are bred for and best suited for, even if just as pets, and teaching our kids how to own and care for them properly.

    In these 3 groups of animals, I think wild animals should be awarded their space.......Domesticated stock animals should be kept properly whether for slaughter, milk, eggs, wool or whatever they may yield. Our privately owned domestic animals and/or pets should be respected and even rewarded for their use, and even their loyalty. To not honor a dog for what it is intensely bred for, is anthropomorphistic, which is to say humanized to the human petty whim. Those who do this do NOT love animals as they are, or for what they are. They merely feed their own whims by robbing the dogs of their own free will and spirit to do what is their nature to do. It is selfish, self serving and hypocritical.

    What I DON'T believe, is that any of that has a thing to do with our Constitution, should we have one any longer that amounts to more than parchment ass wipe. Legislation, for a long time now, has had nothing to do with our Constitution. It in fact, rebuts and contradicts it. As I said: Sign of the times, and our times are snowballing toward total domination and control.

    As far as perverse and sick individuals, we have them. They are sick toward animals, and they are sick toward humans alike in most cases. Legislation does not cure these viciously fucktard sickos. Sickness is beyond legislation. Unfortunately, legislators and other hypocritical groups of humaniacs deem letting a dog do what it's will and fervor tells it to do as the same acts as pieces of shit who torture animals for their own sick amusement. Trouble is, also, there isn't any lobby large enough to educate these morons who legislate, nor to steer them to any sincerity within their acts of power and control. Truth, and the news and controling powers don't know each other at all. They pass control legislation and sway our beliefs to their own goal of control without any regard for truth. Not even for the slightest realities. By "our", I mean John Sucker Public.

    What I feel it boils down to is this: Nature takes its course in most cases. Any normal individual, meaning one who is not a raging sicko, would treat any type animal I posted above, with ethical and fair treatment. Even a gaming animal (re: hunters) and animals raised for consumption. Though most people, no matter what they raise their animals to do, are in this normal mold, there are those sick fucks we all, even the hardest core of doggers, would want to bury in sand to the neck, naked, and pour on the molasses and add fire ants, should they come upon such demented acts.

    No, the reality is that our Constitution has absolutely nothing to do as to affording animals rights. But, neither does legislation, written and enacted by those who don't know the first thing about animals and their varied purposes and wills. The only "rights" an animal has, is the right to be lucky enough to be in the right place and situation at the right times.

    Anyone who deems legislation as fair and ethical treatment, or especially protection, needs to open their eyes and see how conjured it really is. After all, even dog fighting is the only so-called crime or illegality whereby they kill the VICTIM. Think about that. NO ONE is responsible for more animal death than those who call themselves HUMANE societies. Hypocrite death merchants on one side of us.......sick, twisted POS on the other, and who gets the scrutiny and pressure? We who respect what is natural.
     
    TDK, Dec 27, 2013
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  18. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Very well said !!! i agree 100% with you on this !!!
     
    corvettedex, Dec 27, 2013
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  19. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    I also agree with TDK's post. I was unfamiliar with some of the vocabulary he used :) but that's why I have my dictionary nearby hahaha
     
    corvettedex, Dec 27, 2013
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  20. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    I can't get enough of TDKs post! Somebody who speaks of experience and is loaded with knowledge! I also have to get out my webster dictionary to understand his meaning of some of his words as well. Reading his posts makes me realize I need to get my ass back in school and pay closer attention this time.
     
    treezpitz, Dec 27, 2013
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