DangerZone Pitbulls

alot of those dogs erily resemble Dogue De bordeuxs. and they certainly arent "pit bulls"

 

I checked out that ironhillkennels link. Those dogs are definately not related to Marty's dog, lol.

Gamebred dogs historically resemble dogs like Marty's, Trubsdiary, and many, many others on this forum. All you need to do is check out people's avatars to see what a true pitbull should look like, (oh---except mine).

That is not to say that these other dogs aren't "pitbulls" as they have evolved, (sadly, in my opinion)---but as in the ironhillkennels dogs, somewhere along the line, at some point, something was mixed in to give those dogs that bulky, large headed appearance. It's not that they aren't "pitbulls" per se, and it's not that they aren't tenacious in whatever they do---they simply don't fit the historical standard of a gamebred pitbull.

Check out the avatars . . .

 

Why, why, why, why, why? Why do you & those kennels feel the need to change the breed standard? So they can be used as catch dogs? So they can be shown? When being shown, only dogs fitting the breed standard should be allowed to & those dogs are waaay outside of the set breed standard. As for being bred big to catch hogs, well, that whole excuse is utter bullshit. The bigger the dog, the bigger chance of serious injury. I would NEVER hunt with a dog over 60lbs. That's right. Most of my catch dogs are in the 40lb to low 50lb range & I would have it no other way. You (using this term in general) breed oversize muscle bound dogs. You really think they have the agility needed to out maneuver a 80lb javolina? Or a 500lb boar? They do not! I have seen these dogs seriously injured (many times fatally) b/c they just can't move. I'm tired of patching up oversized mutts who have no business being thrust into a position that they can't handle.

Overall, there is NO need to change the breed standard. This breed can do anything & everything while still maintaining it's true form. People make their excuses, but at the end of the day all it boils down to is that these people want bigger "pits" because it makes them feel "big" & "cool" & they think it will boost their ego to be seen walking around with a big "pit" with massive head, massive chest (leaves waaay to much open), & so muscle bound that it couldn't get out of the way of a 1,000lb tortoise "speeding" down the road.

You cannot make excuses to change this breed. You want bigger dogs, then give them a new name. (But I bet 99.9% fo the people wouldn't go for that because then they wouldn't be able to say "I got a pit"). Go ruin a different breed & leave this one the way it is.

Btw, I looked at some of those pics & I have 1 thing to say:
1. we own O.E.B.s & if they were a differnt color then they too could pass as "pits" in those kennels

 

Honestly, I guess I have to agree with this. I truly love all dogs, (almost) but I do feel messing around with the mix is what is causing all these unstable dogs that are attacking people. They're being called pitbulls, and they are screwing things up for the actual historical Pitbull breed dog and their owners.

This is not to say that all these pseudo pitbull variations are unstable, but all the bsl and pitbull problems have cropped up with the invention of these new age "pitbulls." : (

 

Mia, I thought some of them looked like they had Catahoula Bulldog in them, (the black & white female, etc.), or maybe even some Presa . . . who knows . . .

 

XQZZZZZZZZZZZ Me!!!
Hold on one second!!! You people are way out of line.
First off, if you go back to the original thread. You had people talking about the "Dangerzone" line, that didn't know the first thing about it. So I replied back to inform you Ignorant People about the line!!!!! Everthing that someone/whoever said was totally wrong.
So every one of you, that Jumped on Me, are Way Out of Context Here!!!!!!!!!!

Luv_a_bull_girl, I'm glad you made a reference to the Bully Breed Book/Magazine... I thought that I did, but I must have removed it. The Chocolate Red Nose dog Hooked up to the sled w/the green collar; is "Reno" from Iron Hill Kennels. They have three dog's, in there, 5 different times. I thought that I put it in my reply from before, but must have deleted it out of there. I know of the stats you read as I have read the book front to back several times!!!

TommyT, if you knew how to read, and didn't misunderstand or misinterpret what I was saying you would know everything I stated was directed towards my line. For your information, I have "Sorrells" in my Pedigree, which all derived from Spain!!!! Have you done your home work? Can you tell me where "Sorrell's" came from and who was the breeder? Run Quick...! Go Look up the website so you don't look stupid!!!! Give me the name of the foundation dog that "Sorrells" came from, and what was the name of that Kennel?
You talk about BSL. Do you even know what it stands for? Just as people have stereotyped our breed, you stereotyped the bigger A.P.B.T as having bowed legs. Man, Go Learn Something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All my dogs have almost perfect conformation. I have dogs of the A.D.B.A standards, and UKC standards. I'm assuming your know there is a difference!

B, The only thing I don't know about the game bred lines is how to match them or any of the rules. Well, I know a little bit about the rules, but only from what I've been told. I know about most of the lines and where they came from. I have "Sorrell's", "Hemphills-Wilders", "Wood's", "Wilder's" in my 5th-6th-7th generation of my pedigree. I've only seen to the 7th generations, so there has to be more!!! Not to mention, I bet NONE of your dog's have contributed to any of the "Sorrell's" ROM titles. (Register of Merit) I never said that pibulls are "Only Used" of catch work or weight pulling. I stated what my line was mainly used for.
If you are going to Quote me, Quote me Verbatim!!!!!!!!!

Hey Lugi..... Were's Mario....? Don't you guys have to go find "Bowser"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You all need to learn how to read.
I NEVER STATED THAT "IRON HILL KENNELS" DOGS LOOKED LIKE GAME BRED DOGS, OR MARTY'S DOGS!!!!!!!
Where did you get that?
Oehler's "Dangerzone" derived from and Amber-Lite (which is the bitch I posted earlier) 'PR' Scates' "Amber-lite Star" (which derived from "Castillo's", "Wood's", "Wilder's" and I think some "TNT") bred to some "Corvino"!

Miakoda, another person that doesn't know how to read. :confused: Jumped all over me, b/c you misread, or misinterpreted what I said. "As for being bred big to catch hogs, well, that whole excuse is utter bullshit. " How is that an excuse. You all started a thread about the "Dangerzone" line, with out a hint of knowledge. Not one thing that someone said about the line was true. So, I chimed in to inform people about it, then EVERYONE JUMPED ON ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What is that about?
NOT ONE OF YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE "DANGERZONE" LINE, SO WHY ARE YOU TALKING???????
SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!!!!!!!

Just b/c there are bigger doesn't mean they are mixed with anything, as I have provided more than enough proff. If you want more info, let me know. I can also steer you in the direction of some of the other bigger lines that are mixed, Which I Choose to Stay Far Away From....! Trust me, I'm on the same page with most of you all..... I feel strongly against mixing other breeds into my line, on any line to produce size.... It's Total BullSh*t... I'm not for it, and don't like it!!!!

 

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LOL. I know how to read & I even wrote that the term "you" was being used as "you" in general. It was not directed to you, baldie, but maybe if YOU knew how to read, you would've figured that one out.

You can defend 100lb "pit bulls" all you want, but we're talking about American Pit Bull Terriers, not general "pit bulls".

Quit yelling or we'll shut YOU up.

 

It's All Good in The Hood.....! :cool: I'm not mad at anybody...! Just do me one Favor! Look at the Name of the Thread we are posting on. It is and was about "Dangerzone" Dog's. Some how the topic is being forgotten...

 

Just remember this was an OLD thread, and the question was asked over a year ago I believe.

 

This to I know...

 

never mind picture is to big to upload

 

Here I'll hepp ya out... http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1348

 

lol no problem... :: reads signature:: and has someone been watchin star wars

 

Right on point...as usual. great honest and truthful post. and isn't tudor's goldie one of the sorrells foundation dogs?

 

You don't need to be telling us we're ignorant on our own forum. Please keep your petty insults to yourself. There is no saying how your dogs are bred but they aren't anything what a GAME-DOG owner wants in a dog. Its pretty damn easy to stick any papers on any dog and its obvious with the registeries putting papers on 100lb odd colored mutts. There are very few people with integrity left in this dog game and those people aren't running 60+lb mutts claiming them to be purebred. I don't run Sorrels dogs so I don't know what you are talking about in that sentance. I don't run whatever sounds nice or looks pretty. I run what works best. The keyword in that last sentance is works. I don't even register my dogs but I know how each and every single one is bred. My friends might get a dog or two from me here to see how my yard is progressing but I also don't sell dogs. People out there churning out pups to any Tom, Dick, or Sally with money in there face are peddling bastards that don't deserve to be owing dogs. Those people are dog users and abusers and they use color, size, and "claims" to sell there dogs. My dogs earn a spot on my yard through hard work and my dogs keep my name and reputation intact. Trust me, my 25-50lb dogs can do a HELLUVA lot more then your overgrown bandogs. Once again you need to realize you're in GAME-DOG.COM trying to tell us how we do things. If we were on some massive funny colored dog site you very well might be the expert in that situation. On here, you need to give respect before anyone is going to give you some. Listen to what myself and the rest of these people are saying or leave the thread alone and get back to learning some more. Just like all the other "big" dog backers that come and go on this board, you either stick around and learn or move on just like the fad dogs most of those people breed. Looks, size, and color aren't any way to breed pitbulls. Just so you know, most of the people replying to you on this thread have ridiculous amounts of years experience with this breed and their knowledge surpasses many "experts". You're coming across very closed minded and you might want to listen to what some of these people are trying to tell you. Lastly, there is no such thing as "ROM" anymore because fighting dogs is illegal and no one here breaks the Animal Welfare Act of 1976.

Regards,

B

 

First off, the Sorrell's line did not come form Spain. They came down form the Corvino line in turn was some of the old stuff brought to this country from the England and Ireland. The Hemphill, Wilder stuff is from OFRN stock, also from Ireland. How did you come up with Spain?? Just asking. As for the comment made about the way my dog looks LOL!! I don't have a picture of my dogs on this board. The dog in my avatar is Bullyson. Ever heard of him?? As for the DangerZone dogs I have no idea what they are all about. I don't realy care. I know I have no use for a dog that big and would not feed one.

 

I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off. Spain? Are you serious? Wow, you really should stop making posts like this. Give you the name of the foundation dog? There is no single foundation dog. I know Sorrells dogs buddy. BSL? there is no need to be a smartass. As for the bowlegged comment, I was referring to dogs I saw on the websites you posted. Not, big dogs in general. If you want to learn something, you should read about these dogs before posting. Everyone here wants to help you learn, but as long as you make unknowldedgable comments and try to tell us that we are wrong when we keep the dogs as they are supposed to be, you will not learn anything. As B said, many of the people you are talking down on have been dealing with these dogs in their true and original form for many years and we know what we are talking about. We couldn't care less about looks. It is about how the dog performs. Please, sit back and learn.

 

na, na, na, na, na . . . lol . . .

My point was/still is, neither of the two types of "pitbulls" mentioned in this link thus far are the historical standard for an American Pitbull Terrier/gamebred pitbull.

Call them pitbulls if you'd like~type large~type bold . . .

The ones in the links are mixes. They may be considered "pitbulls" now, but at SOME point in their breeding they were mixed with something more bulky and large headed in order to get that appearance. It's just nothing to get hysterical about~it's all good.

 

Okay, I haven't read everything on here, but I have read enough to know that this has gotten way out of hand. First, we are Iron Hill Kennels, our dogs are NOT mixed with anything, matter of fact they are DNA profiled back at least 3 generations that we have bred here. I didn't start this and what was posted about Dangerzone in the very beginning of this thread was true. When we were in Florida, they were used for catch dogs, and they were some of the best around. When we moved to Delaware, well, no hogs to catch. We met people that introduced us first to UKC confirmation, and yes, Reno usually won at least Best Male when he showed, we didn't show that long, it wasn't really what Jimmy wanted to do. Reno is 19 1/2 inches, at the last weightpull 2 weeks ago he was 74 lbs, his sister, Kitty, is 18 inches, 66 lbs, not huge monsters, their mother is solid black and weighs 55 lbs. One of Miss Kitty's daughter's, Ruby, was at the UKC Premier this year and took Best of Winners on Saturday, then qualified in weightpull, she was the ONLY APBT to get the total dog award at the Premier. So we are not breeding crap. We do know what we are doing. (and no, Ruby is not the only one to win conformation out of Reno's offsprings or hold weightpull titles, so it isn't just one good dog we produced, but we are very proud of her)
We were introduced to weightpull, the first time they pulled was at an ADBA show in NJ. They are very loyal, hard working dogs. And you are wrong, not every dog can pull weight, they have to have the drive and desire to do it, we have had some that won't, they have been spayed/neutered and placed in pet homes. Yes, these dogs will run bigger than a game bred dog, but I don't appreciate somebody saying ours our mixed, they are not. They are correct, not bowlegged, easty-westy, none of that, our dogs work, if they don't, they don't stay here and if they aren't correct, they can't work.
Yes, Reno, Ninja, Kitty, several of Reno's children have been or are in the Bully Breed magazine, Training Secrets for the Bully Breed, Dog World, there was an article done on Jimmy and Reno in Dog Fancy a couple of years ago, they are in calendars, whatever, all this because we met a photographer that works for Dog Fancy and she fell in love with Reno, so she has photographed the dogs, that doesn't mean anything other than she took nice enough pictures to go in these places.
I have and can trace their pedigrees back to the 1800's, I have no idea what country the dogs came from.
All I know is that these dogs are standard, UKC standard, not ADBA, and we never claimed them to be. I know the difference in dogs, on our yard we have a wide variety, the website hasn't been updated in quite a while, I have a jeep/nigerino female, we also have 2 from the Scotlin line, we have our Dangerzone, we have Camelot/Dagger and we have pure Dagger. I don't come on here and say anything about anyone's dogs, maybe make a comment on weightpulling or something, but I come here to read and learn, so don't put my dogs down from something someone else is saying and unless you have seen them in person, you don't really know what we have and unless you know us personnally, you don't need to make comments about our character. Like I said, ours are working dogs, and yes, we have all sizes for different weight classes and also because we love pit bulls, regardless of size or color, it's the dog that matters to us.
We do know what we are doing, so please, if you have comments to make, keep us out of it.