Cesar Millan opens up about his love of pitbulls, Daddy, and newest puppy Junior

With that said, Mr. Milan still does not understand the American Pit Bull Terriers most people here reference when they say. "Pit Bull." Also, many of his techniques are ineffective, and down-right dangerous-especially when coupled with power breeds and uneducated owners/handlers. Period. I do not care how much the man advocates on behalf of "the breed" or how many low-drive am-staffs he rehomes and pats himself on the back over, he sends a misleading and potentially dangerous message.
Accidents happen. If you don't ever talk about safely breaking up unexpected "accidents" on your show, while all you do is parade a bunch of neutered, zero-spark, crop-eared, who-knows-whats as a "pack of balanced Pit Bulls,...YOU DO NOT KNOW THE BREED.

 

Absolutely, positively correct. Thank you for saying it.

 

I agree with this 100%

I do want to add that Cesar does teach humans the basics in training. I have watched his show and I have to tell you that 90% of the humans are idiots, they really are.

I would like him if he stopped trying to tell people that they can train the DA out of a dog. I would like him to start teaching how to MANAGE the DA and if I saw him explain how to use breaksticks, that would just make my day.

As far as his show on TV, it's not all warm and fuzzy and his pack does not frolick together. It's TV.

 

There ya go. It's TV.

 

why are his methods innefective. and i am seriously asking this question i would like you to explain to me how they are innefective. and what would you suggest as effective methods you do not have to like him but it seems to work for him

 

im glad i never watched his show more than a couple times...it seems to have some hypnotic mind control over its viewers...ALL HAIL CESAR! lmao

 

And I will respectfully disagree with you. John Q wouldn't know a game dog from a non-game dog, so IMO any GOOD press does us all good. Nothing he has ever said is dangerous or misleading IMO, IF you know enough to LISTEN to what he teaches....I will venture to say you are not familiar with his teachings. Of course accidents happen....your point????

Again if you are going to be critical, do your home work on the man....then I will consider your thoughts on the subject al least well versed, thus worth coonsidering for merit.

 

He has NEVER used the words TRAIN DA out of the dog, no trainer ever would. He teaches to read the dogs BODY LANGUAGE and divert the drive. C'mon now, if you are going to quote him at least be accurate.


In south jersey if you are caught with a break stick you are charged with a felony.....

 

well if you cant legally and responsibly own a break stick then you have no business owning an APBT owning one or more APBTs without break sticks is asking for trouble

 

as far as i know it was a joint thought between Antonio Nores Martinez and Agustin Nores Martinez and from what i understand Antino was killed during a hunt by people who robbed him(1956). Antonio the first standard but was killed before the breed was recognized. sure it was Antonio's dream but it was carried out by Agustin.

correct me if im wrong as i do try to understand the breed and its development. as far as APBT's go theres a lot of stuff out there an i understand the dog was bred to fight AFTER bullbaiting became illegal. personally i just dont think that game bred and fighting bred dogs are the same thats all. i want the APBT to get a fair chance an i use my not so DA dogs for the example, now i know a lot of people on this site get dogs from former or current fighters an thats great but im not into dog fighting. i want a dog thats going to go after hog and deer mostly.

 

why could you just not own a shock collar or stunning device instead of a break stick? its non lethal an works just as well.

and before you say "how would you like being stunned?" i asure you i have been multiple times and im still alive an have not suffered any physical or mental damage.

 

I tried to keep my fingers away from the keyboard in this thread. But this kid needs to learn. 8 pages of this bs. Game bred line animals have an extremely pain tolerance. I mean, game-dogs will continue to go after its opponent with broken legs like a worm across the ring. They do not have the same pain tolerance as your shelter zoo, whose ancestors have not been matched in 30 so years on the dam side. And maybe not ever on the sire side. Thus, your dogs will not tolerate pain well, but game bred line dogs will. If you owned a real apbt,would understand. But with your dog, I could probably step on its foot and it will sequel like a pig and probably bite me.

In short: Real apbts have extremely pain tolerances and drive. The dogs which you own do not have the same pain tolerance nor drive as real apbts

 

but yet jelet pain tolerence has nothing to do with a dog getting tasered the taser will effect the muscles and the dog will break its hold i know of people that do this,i on the other hand would still use a breakstick but if u wanna shock your dog thats you but i dont recommend it

 

I stand corrected. I guess that is true with tasers if what you said is true. The pain tolerance does not matter since it will affect the muscle tissues and such.

 

just for reference a cattle prod which is what your were thinking of only shocks the touched area which means yes your dog can keep fighting. a stun baton, stun gun, or taser dumps electricity through the entire body and blocks electrical signals between nerves an muscles meaning you threat will stop its behavior unless it know how to move with the use of it brain.

beside I HAVE YET TO SEE ANY ANIMAL on this planet keep attacking after being stunned. the involuntary twiching is happening for a reason beyond their control.

pain tolerance is related to muscle stress, but that means nothing when you lose control over the muscles. also could you stop insulting my animals just because you dont understand anatomy and physiology.

 

your not causing any short term or long term damage, also have something where you can change the duration of the wave or buying a lower voltage device is a good route to go. the options are between 20,000 volts to 1 million if you need it.

 

lol. Yeah I Know. My apologies tony. I was not thinking when I posted.

 

I cannot dispute your comment as an absolute. Here is what I can say; if this tool is not tolerated by my social setting it is the responsible thing to seek another means of control, I chose training.

As a analyst I have studied and sought help to adequately be prepared to shoulder my responsibility of owning these kind of dogs. What I have concluded is many of the professionals I have conferred with have one thing in common, all of their methods are based on a foundational belief about dogs. The domesticated dog exhibit similar behaviors as the wolf, especially in a "pack". Now before you get all wrapped around the axil about the word "pack" let me clarify. Certain breeds exhibit STRONGER pack behaviors than others, the guardians for example. I suspect that is why they are controlled with training methods that are more closely aligned with their strict adherence to a HIGH level of pack behavior. If you look at trainer like Frawley who IMO started as a more "yank and crank" kind a guy but has evolved into a trainer that utilizes the methods based on the "behaviorist" beliefs. I suspect because it has made his training techniques MORE effective.

On the other end of the spectrum you have a CM, who IMO is more of a behaviorist. Two guys who I would judge to be somewhere in between are trainers like Carlos Rohas and Chris Fraize. All well respected trainers and all have different methods, here is what is interesting they all follow the same foundational belief...the domesticated dog is a pack animal in some form or fashion, depending on the degree of this pack behavior the training techniques can be honed.

CMs "pack" is unique in that the dogs in that pack are stable, that is why it is effective in rehabilitating an "unbalanced" dog, or a dog with behavioral problems, most often caused by the human that refuses to treat the dog like a PACK ANIMAL.

All of us that own multiple PBs that coexist together are leading a "pack of PBs". Tell me that those that do will not have an easy time of picking out the dominate dog in the pack, as the dogs will naturally fall into a pack structure with a rank, hopefully that we all can proudly and responsibly say WE lead.

As far as the break stick, I use two different techniques, the "out" and lack of oxygen (take the collar and twist, O2 at some point does become a priority for every living creature) in the event of the "out" failing. I am happy to report I have had to use neither since jumping on the "training" band wagon.

BTW my game bred MM dawg HAS NEVER been a problem, he is as stable as the day is long and was much easier to train than my very high spirited Am Staff. I would say due to her breeding she is NOT as stable as my APBT. He is 12 years old and not an incident to our record...so I will let that speak to my "business" to own him.

 

It was Antonio, the eldest brother who created the breed, Augustin was just a young kid at that time but yes, after his brother was murdered he carried on the breed and was the one that got it accepted into the Argentinian Cinologic Federation.

As far as "gamebred" and "fighting bred", they are one in the same. If your dogs are not fighting bred then they are not gamebred. If you do not test and select your dogs based on their gameness then whatever your dogs may have been before they are no longer gamebred dogs. Any other use of this word is just semantics used to sell a dog to someone who does not know about the breed.
Also, the words "gamebred" and "fighting bred" are only used by those who wish to portray their dogs as something they are not. When a person has a true "gamebred" dog its performance record speaks for itself and there is no need for it to be classified.

And to top it all off I believe that gameness and a good disposition towards humans are linked traits so when you lose one you will invariably lose the other. This can be shown by the amount of attacks on people that have ocurred since the breed was introduced into the bedrooms of pet owners.

As far as Cesar goes, I don't think he's such a good dog trainer as much as he is a good human trainer since those people on his show should not be allowed to own even a goldfish much less a dog. So far the few times I have watched his show I have not seen one single problem with a dog that was not its owners fault. Most those folks have to ask their dogs for permission to go to the bathroom!

 

I don't think stim is a guarentee to stop every dog. Any trainer worth his weight in salt will temperment test a dog that is targeted for training with stim. Stim in many cases increases drive....a common tool used to get dogs all juiced up to hit a decoy.

IF the dog has the right temperment for stim, they need to be a hard dog (recover from correction quickly) the stim is a great tool because with a setting you can guarentee THE SAME correction level to produce a desired response from the dog and easily gauge reaction to level of correction with great accuracy.