Breeding for traits

I'm calling bull on if they want to they can thing .

 

Can you elaborate on that statement old goat?

 

Not all dogs can bite hard . It's just the way it is . Some can bite harder than they do . But they can't bite super hard unless they have it and most don't .

 

I do know this a puncher can't be made but there are true natural punchers like Marciano so the same goes with the bulldogs either they have it or not and you usually know early just like when Tyson was knocking out grown men at 14 years old. Most show how hard there bite is the very first time.

 

I guess you just haven't seen that many dogs if you say that .

 

I disagree with your first statement , u are right about genetics if u meant the ability to produce hard mouth
but most have average to below average mouth

 

This thread still going on????!!! Why all you guys posting on a icriminating topic? One minute no replies, nobody has nothing to say dickricking Sayaiyin, now everybody got the own opinion., Whoile bunch of D*** Riders. Case close.

 

not sure what u trying to say , some here like myself are talking about regular stuff and scientific test that are published on hte internet and quoting that other maybe talking about stuff that happened a long time ago

 

Dude you just restated what I said a few post back. Im just confused as to where were the replies and opinionS before the keyboard gangester starting saying this was a "incriminationing topic"? Now all of a sudden everybody got a story....Man stop it, you guys have online fan bases I see.

 

GAMENESS & FINISH

 

Now that shit is down right adorable the one with white looks like it gots a smile

 

Was searching for 'traits' and found the fred.

Could be straight outta my mouth. lol

Maybe we can talk about 'traits' and what it means ? Do I have to open a new Fred ?

1. Mouth ?
Well, I do not like dogs who always give 100% of what they have to offer. Leads to another trait ? Pacing. A very important trait imo.
Trouble with hard mouth dogs comes when they are losing some of the grip after 0:45 or an hour. When HUNTING HOGS, of course !
What if THE HOG got enough stamina (you really can drag that stuff around ?) to survive for the first hour ? What if he is also able to show some mouth with his good second wind ?
Will the dog stay or even win the hunt against the hog ?
The worst dogs I can think of are those who quit on top. Schooling dogs at best. How often are people surprised when this happens ?
Damn, he looked so good before ...

Hard mouth dogs without a real finish also suck.

I like good game well pacing dogs with stamina to stay and a second win + a good finish, please.
If that's the average on a yard ... well ... then there will be also those 'better than average dogs' with ability and mouth on top ...
Next question could be if the 'good, best or just better than average dog is also the best choice for brood.
Isn't the average dog 'you like best' (for some reason or another) the better choice ?
Or do people really believe that they have to better their stuff with each generation ?
Better than the best ? I believe it's smarter to simple raise the average on the yard. The top dogs will pop up from there on a regular basis.
Well, the test of a family is time.
With the 'modern' dogs and dogmen it is probably reality that they are mainly bred for mouth and strength looking for the quick win.
And those spectacular looking killer dogs are hyped up and used for brood by ... too many.
Those 'real battle crosses' are very rare these days, because it's not easy to do this without tight bred family dogs.

Now chase the hog

 

If a good, hard mouth dog been on your ass for 45-1hr you’ll be lucky to make it or continue. How would the dog with less mouth get a second wind and bite harder than the hard biter?? You’re assuming all hard mouth dogs are 30-45 minute performers and the game one rises to win huh?? That’ll get your animal killed on a hunt, assuming..... If the dog made it to the hunt, imo, he had enough tools to bring home the bacon, not just mouth alone. That’s what schooling is for...

Speaking of schooling... that’s when they should quit. If you quit on a hunt, you shoulda stayed in school, studied harder IN school, or had better teachers to show you the real ropes!

Mouth, gameness, stamina, intensity, and ability are all traits. Every dog doesn’t have all, some, or most of those attributes. The more you can stack on your favor the better

When breeding, YES, the next generation should be better than the current! If you’re breeding to maintain you’ll soon fall behind. No dog is the best, just the owners’, or others, favorite or maybe even a truly good dog. That doesn’t make it the best. One should always pursue to better their stock

 

Of course, not all hard biting dogs are curs. I am more talking about dogs who mainly show mouth, as it's all they need so many times.
And my bet is that far more over 50% will quit, if they met a real game dog who is able to stay for just long enough.
If you don't think all traits can be seen in one single dog, then it is no wonder that you always strive for better dogs.
I am not saying my way is the only way for success. I just say I like my way. lol I just like to beat those monsters.
I do not need to win with every single dog, as I know I won't win them all. 80/20 is all I want to begin with. lol

Do you see it like a dog has 100% ? Sorry, my bad english.
20% mouth, 20% gameness, 20% stamina, 20% intensity, 20% ability = 100% ?
Or 40% mouth, 15% gameness, 15% stamina, 15% intensity, 15% ability ?
20% mouth, 30% gameness, 15% stamina, 25% intensity, 10% ability ?
30% mouth, 5% gameness, 5% stamina, 10% intensity, 50% ability ?
Do you think that way ?
I get the same numbers from my dogs, but I get it from dogs with a different all around average as your dogs.
But it's still 100%. It's your 100% and it's my 100%. What should we do ? Agree for a draw ? No contest ?

I was thinking back and forth about my last dog. What's the way to beat him ? Well, I do not know !
What if he would have met himself ? Honestly, I can't say. There was just no way to beat him. Maybe it's just dreaming, who knows ?
I can always say what it takes to beat a dog, does not mean I can get it done well each time, of course, but with this dog I am still not able to tell.
Does he lack anything ? No, he was better than average in all the single aspects. His numbers was like 75% mouth, 100% gameness, 80% stamina, 50% intensity (pacing 100%), 75% ability + much more like style, speed, wind, brain, finish, body structure ... all on top.
Sounds weird, I know. But just because you have not seen it does not mean it's not existing elsewhere.
And his ped is more than solid. What else do I need ?

But I have to say this again, I do not have any dogs anymore. But I got the best 'I can think of' already, so mission completed
My best might be not your best. Good luck

 

Another old Fred.
http://www.game-dog.com/index.php?threads/what-traits-make-up-gameness.45520/
Should be a better read as long as it is not written by me. lol
@benthere wrote

And @NGK wrote

 

Who is fred?
Lol