"bluff?"

"bluff?"

Okay, I'm going to go out on a limb here and risk looking like a total newb. I've heard the term bluff used a few times in reference to, I'm guessing, a type of APBT? So what does this mean? Is it a "freak monster" Pit Bull? Or does it denote a Pit-or-Staff (POS)? Or a dog that's not gamebred, bred for UKC show, etc?

Thanks in advance.

 

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Its the term used to describe Blue APBTs...
dont worry i have been here a while and im still getting used to it myself.

 

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Ahhhh. Thanks!

 

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BIG (BLUE) STAFF. They're not AST, APBT or STB. They are not bred for any of the mentioned breeds' standards. Usually bred for color, overdone muscles and body frames, huge heads, etc.,.I think. lol.

 

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Here's a bluff.

 

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i've seen hogs that look better then that

 

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There they go...
the question has been answered just lock the thread before it turns into another blu bashing session.
My fingers hurt and I dont have the energy for it today, LOL.

 

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^HA. I just wanted to give him a visual.

 

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Okay, so a bluff is more or less what I call a freak monster. (Not my terming at all. The breeders of those types of dogs call them that.) A dog bred to look imposing, usually paired with a rare color, but not an APBT but by the furthest stretch of the imagination.

 

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Now, all you gotta say is "I won't feed them ever. Dumb mutts.." And you'll be loved here.

 

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LMAO *blushes* They got it right. It's Blue Staff (Bluff) because blues are breed for color, size and the name not function, conformation or the original purpose. It's American Blue Bluff Terrier : P. I'm not bashing blues. I don't mind them. I just don't think they are Pit Bulls. I think they might of been bred out of Pit Bulls but like Staffs they can not do what a Pit Bull can.

 

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LOL. Let's just say they're not my cup of tea, and I would never own one. I like an athletic, standard, versatile dog. (And one I can pick up without giving myself a hernia.) My little girl is 45 pounds, couch-fat. Folks are constantly asking me if she's a puppy, and I usually reply "No, she's an adult. Right in the middle of the preferred weight range. You're probably used to seeing overdone dogs, but Pit Bulls are supposed to be a medium-sized breed."

 

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I was on a pit bull site just the other day that showed a dog like that. they were sealing the puppies first pick about $3500 or so. to me the dog looked like a jackrussell terior with a 5gal. bucket on his sholders.

 

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Yeah. Not all blues are bred to be like that, but most sites on the net do advertise bully style pit bulls. In general, it's "rare" to have a dog that throws the color blue, since it's basically a gene defect that dilutes black hair. But, if you are getting blue after blue litters where all the dogs are blue, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some neo or presa thrown in, or maybe they are just breeding blue to blue, which is bad. I know that if I ever start a yard and breed, and I get a blue pup thrown, I'll make sure he gets fixed, if I happen to keep him or not. Especially right now since there's a fad going on.

 

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"uh, Blues are bad... M'kay"


Most of the people with the strongest opinions on the blues ave ever so much as had a conversation with anyone that breeds them. They make assumption based on what they see on the net, and assume that is the way that all breeders are. We have the media to generalize us, we dont need to be doing it to ourselves. I have to be real frank and honest at this point, if the determining factor as to what makes an APBT and APBT is the fact that they are bred to (you know what). Then I am fine with my dog not being considered an APBT. I have no intention on ever (you know what)ing my dog, and really could care less how well he would do at it.
He is a companion dog, his job is to hit the field with me, work out, and play with my kids.. oh and look tough when shady types come around. None of those activities require him to be game. In fact you name any activity other then (you know what) that requires a dog to be game.

I acknowledge and respect the heritage of my dog, I simply dont feel that the dogs we had back then need to ahve the same drives in todays society. Evolution... its a natural occurence, things have to change with time.
And as much as you all love the breed in its original form you have to realize that the dog of old has got to make some concessions to modern day society in order to be accepted. This is where your AST, and Bluffs come in. A milder, more "PC" dog, with the drives bred down to a controllable level.

Some of you think its bad, I personally do not.
But then again I am "sleeping with the enemy" aren't I?

 

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Then why be associated with the APBT if you dont like or want to be associated with (you know what)??? Come on..shed some light on this!! Im completely baffled!!!

There was a breed of dog especially created for your needs and wants.. that is the AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER. I dont understand why people who dont want "Game dogs" or the temperments assicated with these types of dogs (animal aggression, high prey drives, a proportionate physical structure without big heads, over bulked muscle ect ect..) still continue to hold on to the name APBT ..yet continue to change the breed into the Am Staff? If you dont want gameness, etc, why not just go with the AM staff?? The Am Staff has everything but gameness.. and they can be bigger and fatter, bred for looks because thats what they were desgined for..to get away from the pit image and have a carbon cookie cutter pretty show dog!!

See.. No, not all blue dogs are bad. There are plenty of people breeding red monsters, too ... but the point isnt that the dogs themselves are horrible, its the fact that they do not meet breed standards and that a breed of dog with all the traits YOU want has already been created so IMHO there is no reason to come and change the APBT to suit yours and others wants when it aready has been done!!

Honestly.. Get a breed of dog that suits what you want..dont change a breed to suit your needs.. you ruin the breed by doing that. All the years of hard work, culling, to get the breed where it is today ...if it aint broke dont try fixing it.

 

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I would have to agree with Rocksteady AND Diesel.
I DON'T EVER PLAN ON [] MY DOG. BUT GAMENESS IS SOMETHING I WANT FOR THE DRIVE AND STAMINA FOR PULLING.
I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO [] ight THEM.
PLAN AND SIMPLE AND IT'S ILLEGAL!!!!!!!
BUT TO NOT HAVE THE DRIVE AND WILLINGNESS IS BOGUS. IT NEEDS AT LEAST TO BE BROUGHT OUT THROUGH A PHISICAL ACTIVITY.
I GOTT @ PUPS ON CO-OWN BOTH FROM THE SAME LITTER OF UKC SHOW LINES FATHER IS A GRAND CHAMP. HE HAS DRIVE STAMINA AND AGILTY HE EARNED THE NAME APBT. BUT THE MOM IS JUST A MEDIOCURE(SP?) SHOW DOG. SO WHEN THE PUPS CHAMP OUT THEY WILL PROBABLY BE BRED TO OTHER SHOW DOGS. THE FEMALE PROBABLY WON"T BE BRED TO MY MALE CAUSE I FEEL SHE WILL LACK WHAT A GOOD ADBA DOG HAS. HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT WILL MAKE MORE NICE {SHOW} UKC CHAMPS WHICH IS FINE IF THAT'S WHAT THEIR LOOKING FOR.
SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?

 

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ITS THE SAME DAMN DOG!
The sole difference between the APBT and the AST is being bred specifically for fighting. The same dogs, from the same blood.... the same heritage, but one has been bred for (you know what) and one was not.
According to you I do have another breed, right? I have a staff. and im cool with that. If that is the defining characterstic I dont need one, and if i even had one i would never know it. I dont think that I need a dog that is bred specifically for something that it can never do.
Would you buy a plane that you couldnt fly, or a car that you couldnt drive? Then why breed for a trait that you cant use.... well at least not legally. I am well aware that people are matching underground all over the world and making a pretty penny at it... but you know what... thye aren't using staffs to do that. They are using the dogs bred for the job.

Yes, granted at one time this was a big part of what they did, but the breed thrives because of its versatility, if you take the breed and hone in on just once facet of it (gameness) you rob the breed of its other faces.

We are never oging to agree on this... ever. You have your idals and I have mine.

 

Frankenstein and BSL

I don't understand how your frankensteins are better for the public than a true to standard APBT. Just because my dog is animal aggressive it is a threat to society? You have got to be kidding. People with well bred APBTs rarely have a problem with these dogs getting into trouble. Do you know why? Because these people bought a well bred dog expecting it to be aggressive. Therefore, they take the necessary precautions to keep them out of trouble.
On the other hand, a dog that is bred to lack aggression is let out around other dogs because they expect it to be okay. What happens when that big frankenstein attacks another dog? (Even if a dog is not bred for animal aggression, it does not rule out the possibility of a fight.) You will have frankenstein labeled as a monster and chased out of town. BSL?

The truth is, if my 40 lb dog attacked another dog in public it will not cause as large of a stir as when your 100 lb dog is throwing a dog all over the place. The larger the dog, the more threatened people are going to be of it. So, don't say that your overgrown frankensteins are better for the public view than my 40 lb dog. Big dogs are bred to scare the public! What other purpose does 100 lbs, a huge head, and a wide chest serve?

Something to think about. BSL did not exist until this breed became an accessory and bred to be big disgraces. This problem never existed when the dogs were bred for the right reasons. Now you are telling us that the people that are keeping to the original standards are the problem? What a joke.

Just because a dog is animal aggressive, it does not make it any more dangerous than a dog that is not animal aggressive. Do you know why? Because, the owner controls the dog. RESPONSIBILITY. A dog can only do what the owner allows it to do.
My car does not run over people because I control it. Same thing, my dog does not attack my next door neighbor's shitzu because I CONTROL IT.
The breed does not need to change into curs for the public. The owners need to become more responsible. Stop selling dogs to dumbasses!


I keep hearing that the dogs bred to be overgrown curs are saving the breed but I have never heard anything close to a logical reason behind this notion. Please, elaborate.

 

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Gameness is what gave us these "faces", not breeding for size,color,or conformity,and you will NEVER be able to determine gameness by pulling PERIOD!