Blue Paul Terrier

And you are correct jbl I have also heard men use the term for other terriers..And as far as you saying u believe terrier is in the bulldog u may be right.Truth is none of us were there and none of us hold the secrete to what's in these dogs.

 

Yes what I am saying is I believe terrier along with other dogs is in the pit and there should be no shame in that.

The English bull terrier is not simply a cross between a white old English bulldog and white terrier, hinks used a lot of other dogs in their makeup. The pit dogs I believe we're there long before the bull terrier. I have now had enough of history, lol.

 

Regardless of genetics and ancient history, the dogs fit for the old blood sports have created the great dogs we have today, fearless, loyal and athletic.

 

If gameness is will to dominate,why do some dogs show no desire to dominate anything but are more than prepared to show indomitable will when asked, and list these APBT that have imposed their will to dominate into nature,pound for pound,in its own earth, and we can compare it to a Lancashire dog over a full season.

The badger is Britains largest natural carnivore, and largest natural predator, it is matched pound for pound in its own earth,and it has proven it will make a game box dog quit cold, if it doesnt it will lose its face and throat.


You state gameness is slow to mature,on what biological physiological and genetic basis?

Smaller breeds mature faster than larger breeds and inbred breeds.

Arthur Heald Original English breeder,Pit Bull and Terriers(early 30s):

"A six-month pup will never snarl and ‘walk round* another dog. He will go straight in, with no warning. They are delightful with children, cats, and stock."

 

Airedales are above ground vermin destroyers, the otter hound gives it its size colour and coat, the terrier gives it its instincts,skull and jaw formation.

 

...all good trial dog's should be silent..jus..thump-thump.....tl where did ya get a smaller dog will mature quicker than a dog bigger...??

 

Blue8Bell, i dont want to copy and paste scientific knowledge on maturity in canines unless i have to, if you google it you can find the evidence with ease yourself,the dogs Mr Heald is referring to weighed about 20lb fit in the collar at maturity.

 

..have you hands on experince of trial dog's/??...have these science people /???...have you or they reared any of any size....???

 

Blue8Bull,trial dogs are an Irish KC fantasy,yes ive reared many dogs of many sizes and many breeds, if you wish to take the thread down the route of science v blue8bulls opinion im not interested in responding.

 

So you know sweet f-all ...about trails/etc/etc...apart from what ya can paste....a fantasy...lol..lol...there's no point in talking about something ya never experience...there is no science to good dog...i taught ya were either very intellegent/??.. Or just quick at pasteing things,,from the history of the bulldog.com libary's etc/etc...???have you ever put any of this science to test with your dog's//???.if so.can ya give us an example...???not a goggle science a/c...in your own experence+word's.....???

 

Blue8Bull whats with the online attitude? my family come from Fitzwilliam in Wakefield, a small mining PIT village in west Yorkshire, from immigrant Irish viking blood, i live in the Midlands, i have seen many real working terriers in Yorkshire, the Midlands, Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

The Irish trials were a fantasy title of gameness,that takes nothing away from the dogs, who did their real work away from the trails, dont believe me or my word,speak to or read those who were there.

 

..."so no".ya can't give an example in your own words..my family had at one/time or another,, done them close to 100 years...and i know who were there .....the only fantasy i see is your's....."the online attitude.came from you first"...and your fantasys...the trial's were in reconition of hard worker's,,they werent just handed out....so your right i don't belive ya,,so good-day...ps:ya do have a few good point's in your threads....

 

I cant give an example of what?....Badger baiting is illegal as is Pit bull type dog ownership,......are you so thick as pig shit that you insist i break the law of the land to post illegal information to prove what to you ?

The trials were organised by the KC in Ireland and where restricted by LAW,no real work took place, the sets where artificial, the badgers where tame,the dog had 12 min to draw the badger, that maybe real work to you....not to anyone else........the real Irish badger work took place far away from the trials as a fact.

 

Blue8Bull go speak to Irish dog men who took part and where their, then come back online and tell me the real work took place at the trials organised by the KC.

 

http://http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.co.uk/2006/11/strong-dog-trials-where-fancy-leads-to.html

 

Tl ,,i'm talking years ago,,speak with them,,i lived with them,many long dead,,,and of course the work ,went on apart from the trial's....it really shows how much ya know ..ya remind me of one of those ring champs,,who failed at the trials,,and would throw you rattle out cause the good un's were dual champions.ie:reconised by the kc as good/game workers...tame badgers...lol...lol..they were gathered before the trials,,do ya think they were breeding tame one's..lol...of course the real work was a-way from the trials,,which were in reconition of these dog's...a 99% back then entered there best in these trials....what's the use.i think ya don't like the idea of a game irish dog....as i said good-day....................

 

Blue8BUull, i have no idea what your babbling about, ...you took offense at the Irish trials being called fantasy.......why.........because your IRISH........now your admitting the real work didnt take place at the trials which is the point i made..........is TERRIERMAN...a ring champ, read his article i think he knows more about REAL working terriers than you

 

...why cause he writes a magazine...????...and you can paste it...as i said ...good-day

 

Blue8BUull, i have no idea what your babbling about,
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its what he does every day here ......evry topic he can joyn the talk ......but no longer then 90 seconds .




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read his article i think he knows more about REAL working terriers than you
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i think so to ...




beside that al the time he say goodby or bye bye ..good day .....or stop over
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but i don;t believe that anymore because he is coming back al the time