Best cross of all time right here:

Hmm,. I know this is all in fun .. Best cross? Can't say. Too many variables lol.

I would say the best cross is the cross that prouced a high number of good dogs in the shortest amount of breedings and those dogs wer able to go on and produce..one that is consistant

Not to discredit any cross but the more times bred, the more chances one gets for good dogs. Which makes one wonder.. are they being bred because they produce good or because they are popular and produce becuase they are bred so much ...

 

Midnight cowboy/ old boltaction Boyles
Iron head Carver/ Bullyson (or cowboy)
Jeep/cowboy/redboy- 3way
Jeep/redboy/jocko
Any art/dutchboy
Redboy/boyles
Turtle buster/ Ironhead/ Boyles (blackgold)
Thats a few damn good ones!! YisJ

 

depends on how you think bo was bred.....

do you believe it to be this:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=4

or this is what i believe it to be after getting the opinions of some folks i trust when i have questions:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=267507

the last one might be why it crosses so well with certain lines

just some food for thought.

 

Bolio/Tombstone

 

It Is Pretty Obious What I Like!

Quick Question!

Hey Pirbul Why Would You Like Those Crosses? When Those Crosses Were Made By Dogmen, And You Said That You Hate Dogmen!

Love The Cake, But Hate The Cook? Want To Keep The Cake , But Want The Cook To Jail!! Ahhh??


Asi Te Lo Canto
Chico

 

lol..good one!

 

Eli/Carver
Tombstone/Bolio
Redboy/Jeep/Rascal

 

Very good chef. I have never noticed the difference in peds. I wonder which is the most accurate. B-lines Ch. Cowboy also had a ped discrepency just like this one. Who knows but the old timers right?

 

Let's start a thread off of this and see where it goes!!!

 

Hey,

My reply was based pre-1976 looking at the info we have available on the story of the breed, i do not hate the past, in fact, i like to do research about it to learn more and those crosses made an impact on the breed.

However, i do not approve those ilegal practices on the present, in my opinion there should be other ways of selective breeding to keep and preserve this breed alive, i do not try to convince anyone or disrespect other persons on this forum and i think i didnt on all my past months/post on here.

Asi te lo replico en Ingles, Español o Chino,
Pirbul~

 

To study the breed and all is nice and dandy! To find a better way to select the future of the breed is nobel, I can admire that, I am still waiting for the blues, bullies, and staff to see if I get one with the confirmation of a dog that I like. I can not tell you what to think , however I can tell you what you show that you think.

Sure with out trying to get out of the topic, it is clear that we are just people that look at the breed and respect what other do, you as an exception. However it is clear and obious that dogs like the greats that is talked about in forums like this or the one you run in Spain many of them are dogs after 1976.

You see that is clear, and when you mettion in other forums that you do hate and put the fionger o people that are doing what they are doing after 1976, that makes you a rat, just in case you do not know it.

I am sure you are as smooth as a clean shave, here in this board.
However It is a fact that you said that you hate humaniacs and dogmen from modern times. Now those things are clear.

Once do not have to be a dog fighter to respect what another man do. I am clearly not a dog fighter as much as you try to pit the finger on me.

How in the world can you say, as you said.

HUMANIACS AS BAD TO THE BREED AS MODERN DOGMEN ARE.

Now you will love to have a direct son of Gr ch Mayday as you said.
So is not that so hipocrete thing to do?
I meen maybe, maybe, I am not to shape as you think you are, but is clear to me that humaniacs kill the breed, and dogman because of their selection process, they put some nice looking dogs to pick up a nice confirmation animal.

Only in you mind you can think they are both damaging the breed, and the image.
The HSUS will say that.

I have never heard of a loose dog that belong to a dogman that wenty to bite a person, or kill anyone.

One thing dogman did was sell dogs to peddlers and those peddlers to irresponsable owner and that made a domino chain effect where , people with out any idea , without any mentor stated to breed dogs and ,put some animals out in the hands of more irresponsable bad people.

Pirbull I do not recomend you to do anything illegal, in the contrary love your pets, and respct others fine. However you preatching to all the newbies, and people geting in the breed in your country , to hate modern dogmen, and their ways of selecting the breed. You takle information on how to condition, how to raise a dog properly from the sale people you reocmend to look at to with discust.
You can put your rebond in chinese or arabic , who care?

The fact is that your point of not respecting a man that in their countries go tru hard times to make what the breed is today is just simply hipocrete and to me personaly discusting.

You taking information on board like this and share with people that love the breed and respect what other do, and that they do not have to do.

A man can respect the fact that our soldiers are fighting for what they been told is our freedom, and the same man own a legal gun, and the same man, never be a killer or a criminal.

But how much of a hipocrete can he be to say he hate the our soldiers,a nd hate guns , and enjoy and look for the very same freedom our soldiers are giving us.

I hope that same puts in some way a spin to the behaivor that should be desire.

A man should love his dogs , and love the breed, suport it, and work for it, do not fight his dogs and still respect those who , he do not know where and how they manage to put a herritage in his hands.
To go back and put the finger on those very same man, is hipocrete ,and very rattish like.
Think about it.

asi te lo canto
Chico

A lo mejor en ingles lo entiendes un poco.

Why like some tombstone /bolio/redboy/jocko/eli/carver crosses as you said you do?

If those crosses just for your info where done after 1976!

Point should be clear to a 3 year old.

like the kid from brooklyn would have said,
THINKKK ABOOUTT ITTT

Chico

 

Good Post. Kinda what i ran into on another site people love the APBT but hate hearing what made them a amazing animal.

They love the corvette but hate the engine

 

Indeed Carter, You do not have to be a corvette owner to love one, or own one and have to be a speed demon.

But surly is bs to say I love this corvette, but I hate the manufacture, because they use the best components., I also hate the people who take the corvette and go above 70 miles an hour, because they are breaking the law.

Crap can you just love your corvette and stop putting the finger on things you can not understand. Furthermore stop educating blind people on how to hate modern dogmen and at the same time desire what they have or have produced.

Funnier is that when this young man had a forum his logo was gran ch mayday rom. That is so funny.

I tell you like sky walker in start wars , those who fear their destiny saty in the dark side.

Like I said you do not have to love the coke , to enjoy the cake, but if you want the cake do not killed the cook.

The breed will die the day the last dogman die.
Carver once said something like this.

" You can breed a pitbull to a german Shepherd female, and take a male out of that breed it back to the German Shepherd mother , and take a make out of that breed it back to the shepherd mother, and you will loose the pitbull "

He was refering to sellection, not exacly a german shepherd but a a poor genetic pitbull, and when he said a pitbull he was talking about a game dog.

Good dogmen can take a shepherd and after years have a good animal. that can catch hogs.

Love the breed, love your pets, respect at a distance the people that made the breed, and promote a psotive image.

if you do not know how to do that then studie that process.

CHICO

 

So I can better understand, the APBT and the dogmen right at 1976 is ok, but all after 1976 not good.
One second, because that means ( looking at the members) your dog, you, and you, your dog, your dog, you and you, and of course even his own dog.

Now that is something that should have been said by Slim Shady himself.

Chico

 

You getting it all wrong friend, its not about "hate". I do not hate anyone on here, its about having a different opinion and then when i express myself with respect to everyone on the forum you start with the humaniac / humanist bullshit, im not one even if you pretend to show so, its not the first time you try this.

I didnt talk, point or give a name of any person, here or in any other forum so i cant be a rat, i just give my point of view and im open to discuss to whoever shows respect, if we cant agree thats fine i DONT need to trashtalk or take it to personal offenses.

I do not like dogfighting or people that fight dogs, you want me to have no opinion andrespect those who, since i own an APBT i should shut my mouth but i wont, I have my opinion that i already said on the past post.

Now tell me where on here i've pointed at you, be smart my friend because i didnt so you are being obvious.

On forums like this the info provided by their users is pre-1976 or for historical purposes and thats useful info for whoever interested on this breed, mods and admin can explain it to you on private and also you can read it on the rules of the site.

Its not about words but acts, i could own a direct son of Mayday and have the best pet in the world, still be against dogfighting and think there are other ways to keep breeding those dogs out of the pit but as an actual working dog.

So whats wrong? I can not own an APBT because i dont agree on this?

Well, then this breed would be labeled for the society as dogs for dogfighters only and vicious animals born to fight, and WE ALL KNOW thats not true, those are wonderful dogs, family dogs, pets and working dogs that excell on many tasks outside the pit that is inmoral and ilegal.

Chico, me and you will never agree on this topic, you know it and we had private messages about all this. I do not preach to newbies, i give my opinion and then there are people that agree with me and others like you that dont. This is a topic that could last forever and both would not move 1 cm out of our opinions.

"A man should love his dogs , and love the breed, suport it, and work for it, do not fight his dogs and still respect those who"

So, i love my dog, the breed, support it as much as possible trying to give a positive image of the breed by my ACTS and words, i do not fight my dogs but i dont either respect whoever does this because i dont think its needed nowadays and i simply cant stand to that cruelty. Im an humaniac? hypocresy? Well, then i'll be so and proud.

Many will say "get an amstaff", but im against show ring and beaty selective program too, im happy with my dogs but i still think if breeders of tomorrow would focus on the ultimate working dog (out of the pit) this breed would be even better.

I know on this site there are many people that believe the only way to breed this breed is the traditional way, however that wont change my opinion, w/o intending to disrespect anyone on here but i can only take as insult and major offense someone acting or saying im a rat or humanist because thats not true, i HATE those.

 

i run jeep/ redboy/ cowboy/.

we all so run jeep/ redboy/ rascal.
i also have a heavy mayday bred dog . she is one hell of a dog should be a good cross

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.co...ile=printPedigree&dog_id=129866&myPedigrees=1

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.co...ile=printPedigree&dog_id=281735&myPedigrees=1

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.co...ile=printPedigree&dog_id=221275&myPedigrees=1

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.co...ile=printPedigree&dog_id=280233&myPedigrees=1

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.co...file=printPedigree&dog_id=78696&myPedigrees=1

hope i didnt post to many but heres some of what i have up and coming.

 

heres a good breeding i just did should be dynomite.
my bitch is right off of school boys big red.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.co...printPedigree&dog_id=287178&myPedigrees=1bred back to her nephew on the top side

 

i also like the gonner crosses to redboy and bolio.. though they are hard to find..

 

Alligator(Hammonds)/ Eli

 

I have gone back and forth about replying to this thread and specially to your posts. My view and feelings toward you have changed a 180 degrees.

I have asked Chico to no longer reply to you since it just gives you unmerited attention. Chico is tire of coming across people like you that want to own the finished product, exterminate the creator, and "do it better" than those who strived to keep it pure. I dare not ask about your Frisco dog's future as a stud. While Frisco blood is not my favorite, it is much better than most anything you can find in Spain. Your intent on "doing it better" flies in the face of a standard that has been set for over 100 years. Yet, you "think there are other ways to keep breeding those dogs".

Aaaah, but then you deny that you have tried and tried again to publicly accuse him of criminal acts in order to jeopardize an official ADBA club he helped form in your country. I dare say that since you have an APBT club, the sight of competition was a threat that needed to be dealt with accordingly. Chico's aim was to give true fanciers in Spain an official and world-wide recognize club. He certainly did not spend so much of his time for selfish reasons. Yet, you say it is not about "hate"? Maybe it is more about envy.

You forget I am fluent in Spanish and may not know that I read your posts in a now deleted thread where you were pretty blunt about your accusations. You challenged the integrity of the ADBA club in Spain because of the association between it and Chico. The accusations have been so harsh that Chico has removed himself from active participation in order to safeguard it from those who want to destroy it.

You are basically saying that you do not like how the dog breed was made but you would take the best out of them in a heart beat. Very hypocritical of you.

You are doing it in that sentence. You are using the "read the between the lines" approach.

First of all, do you know when GRAND CHAMPION MAYDAY was being campaigned? It certainly was waaaaay after 1976. Also, why is Mayday famous? He sure did not go through some doggie Olympics or some doggie marathon where all the dogs are running together. He was a game dog off game dog parents. He was a true working dog whose job was to work in the pit. A comparable example [with your example] of owning a direct son of Mayday is to own a Ferrari only to change its purpose to a taxi cab.

If you do not agree with the set standard, no you should not own a breed of dog you feel needs to change.

PeTA/H$U$ alert, PeTA/H$U$ alert! right off their creed. There is no need to fight the dog to embellish its history, its founding members, and the few who risk their freedom, family, and dogs in order to preserve a breed. I for one take my hat off to those few who risk everything to save and even improve on their stock in this day and age of humaniac fever. How I wish it was only jungle fever..lol

Opinion? One can have an opinion but only with experience can they have a foundation. Your opinions for the most part are baseless and lack reality.

Love and support can have totally different meaning to people. I have no doubt Chico loves his dogs and supports the breed. He has a track record, do you?

ACTS? Chico is an example of lead by example. Acts? He has done plenty of that.

Ok, to clarify your statement. You say you do not fight your dogs AND do not respect those who match them because it is obsolete for the preservation of the breed?

"You simply cannot stand that cruelty"? The alert siren is going off again. Man, last part of your statement did it for me. Be happy that Chico was able to push you out of that closet. You were in denial and now you know who you are....be happy about that. I am thankful to NOW know where you stand.

You are CLUE LESS. Simply clue less. A young man that believes the breed needs to change. I am sure you would like them to be animal friendly and vegetarians. The breed is ultimate because of the serious people behind it.

Funny how when you talk about other members you use "the traditional ways" to sugar coat your thoughts. Hate? :rolleyes: