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Best conditioned Staffords

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by Mickeyg, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. Herodog1

    Herodog1 Top Dog

    Meant no offence mate, just think harnesses are a little safer thats all. Stunning dog by the way.
     
  2. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    The best conditioned SBT ever was Dillinger!!. was pickt up game in 2,16 against LK Tug Rom.
    altho 7 LBS bigger that bitch was umongst the best ones ever..
     
  3. Gioferani

    Gioferani Pup

    Here's my pup at 11 months. looking good for a pup imo xD


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  4. redbill

    redbill Big Dog

    how did you come to that conclusion limey? no doubt Dillinger was a good stafford but how can you say best conditioned?
    not a loaded question just interested why you sate this
     
  5. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

  6. KDW

    KDW Native Nightmare Premium Member

  7. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Because Tug Rom came from a line of dogs known as the Fox dogs. legendary jack kelly(brodway Jack SDJ) machst her brother irish tim,s ch Looghen who was considerd at that time the ace of aces as no dog ever lved past 25 min.
    in that same line of Fox dogs Jack kelly had a i belive a 28 w winning streak with these dogs.
    Tug beat STB sarrah who was out of Divines Bruce son of grch Boomerang and Brewers Rosy littermate sister of Zebo and vindicator, Barney fife who sold her to stb Flew over to handle her. sarah got beat in 1.06.
    we are talking about the very best dogs of there days . and for a SBT like dillinger to ""tug"" along with a bitch like Tug rom who was consider as one of the best in the world at that time, iven tho he had a 7 lbs weight advantage. says alot about the quality of that dog AND his condition
    . to give you another aczample. Tug rom was used to test JB flakey triple inbred Nelis rom later send to Bobby hall to be mathst into Me,coy,s Betty Joe the mother of GRCH Bandjo and GRCH BB red who she quit in 1,24!!. thats right a inbred daughter of Nelis rom. That same bitch Flakey aka Joleen could not stay with Tug rom for more then 15 min!!.
    think that says enughf for Dillinger , from who people who saw him considerd him a freak of nature to be able to display that kind of gameness and durabiltey in a SBT...... one in a million !!!.
     
  8. redbill

    redbill Big Dog

    thanks for your reply LK. as i said wasn't a loaded question. was just interested in your thoughts.
    shame there not all like him!
     
  9. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    no prob. Btw Dillengers confermation and lack of historicel dept in his system was his tru handycap .
    in his mind he was king!!. umongs the SBT he should have been the holly grail as some sort of a stud dog in a atemt to lock on to his brain!! and try to elevate the SBT to a higher level . altho i personal belive the people fooling around with them are breeding for a lost cause.. I dont belive that sins him there has never been a SBT that whent into that kind of fast lane competition. also keep in mind he was up against a female!!...
     
  10. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    RickyB put that head on a apbt and nobody wil know it came from a sbt.
     
  11. Gioferani

    Gioferani Pup

    Thanks! Trying hard ;)
     
  12. Oxstaf

    Oxstaf Big Dog

    Hey LK is not a lost cause is a ongoing cause ..
     
  13. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Na, That history gab is to wide. altho personaly i apreiate the efford, dont get me wrong on that.
    But what is the point in doing so. lets asume that al of these guys go full out doing what is right, and in 30 more generations from today you have a desend breed that can compeet with the bush leaque apbt.
    what would the reward and satisfaction be afther so mutch time money and everyting els have been spend???
    . Back in the eurly 80,s people up north who didnt had money had there SBT bred to pitbulls and started to name them Irish stafords!! mainly as a sales pich to the ignorend with little to no cash in there pockets...
    most i saw where wite some with bleu with grey spots, others had traditional coleration.Bij those who know they where refeurd to as the poor mans pitbulls.
    like the the rover was named the poor mans jag!!.
    some started to trow in a myth that these dogs where from old working irish lines that where uphold as working dogs. witch to some ecstend holds tru as the working sbt dogs used for hunting and poching bij SOME hwre used.. but the vast majorety where ordenary crosses!!.
    there is no sutch thing as a Irish staford strain ore breed. I know guys from up north who sold them to Maurice Dan(the pied piper) who was the biggest puppy peddler ever and could talk anybody into buying something.
    he actualy sold on of these whyte crosses to a american for big $$ claiming it was the last English white terrier alive!!!.
    the others whe sold as pure aintiend Irish fighting stafords that had been bred in Ireland for as long as the fighting dogs where known..
     
  14. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    lol in his mind he was a king ...he is not the only one
     
  15. Oxstaf

    Oxstaf Big Dog

    ha what is the point in doing so , ok lets just let another noble breed die out yeah thats right whats the point ....the apbt might be the best figthing dog but is not the only one ..
     
  16. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Oxstaf you realy whant me to awnser that from my point of view??... im not here to start a pissing contest nor insult people, but if your up for hearing the truth then say so....
     
  17. Oxstaf

    Oxstaf Big Dog

    iam up for hearing anything say your piece i wont be insulted ,but why if you say it is it the truth it might be your point of view doesnt mean its right ??
     
  18. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Oxstaff The truth is that a SBT is a dog gone by, it has become a weak yerk of of the breed he came from, the APBT.
    Same gose for the AM st.
    so there is ""nothing"" noble about a bloodline( and thats what both sbt and amst are as there origen was the Bull and terrier know today as the APBT) that whent compleatly south of the border bred raised and distroid bij man who compleatly disreguard there origenal quality!!!. who turnt them in a bloodline of im sorry to say curs..
    dont get me wrong the apbt pioneers of europe where al fooling around with SBT/ and Bullterriers when the apbt was RE introduced around 1976/77. The ones who where REALY ACTIF with the SBT imidiate stept over to the real ting,reconizing the origenal dog known as the Bull and Terrier from the past. and knew what to do.
    Now in you last line you say "" the apbt might be the best figthing dog but is not the only one"" .. I never knew ore heard ore belived that there was another fighting breed then the APBT!!!.. sins its return to europe!!!! as al the other breeds who compeat are cur breeds and dogs... (Note Cur means any dog that quits on top and ore jumps the pit and any non APBT breed....)

    Now like dillinger mentiond above they are one in a million ecseptions, but those are flukes of nature. from days gone bij... iven then they need massif amounds of weight advantige to tug along.
    if you are sucsesfull with your SBT vs SBT and produce a line of the best of the best in that (you call it ) breed then still, pound for pound you wil know he will always come in second best and wil quit against the worced of the minor ones from the dogs he origenated from.the APBT ..

    so in the real world where its counts, where the grunt of the breed has been kept pure and real and bred and raised for hunderds of years to reached the place where they are today, then yes i could not care less if the SBT dies out. as it is a cur breed.
    Now do i blaim people ore you to fool around with them hell no!!. if that dog meats your requiremends then im happy for you and for everybody els.

    they make great compainions and are funny and besides Bulterriers. i would not whant any other dog as a house pet.. but thats a far as it would go..
    Its like having the money to buy a porshe to start racing , but being afreight of the speed and violense that sutcha car brings along with it ,Insted il buy a mutch more moderete Volkswagen beatle.
    both came from Ferdinand porshe hands. one car is for the ordenary people the other one is a toughobred race car.....
    Now what you ore other people are doing is trying to stick a porshe engine in a beatle!! to make it gp faster.But no matter wat you wil do and ore change it wil always stay just that a beatle.. nothing more nothing less.
     
  19. Oxstaf

    Oxstaf Big Dog

    ah well see you dont care if the breed dies out but i really do is a big passion for me and something iam not willing to give up on ,even when a person like you dismiss them as nothing .
    To say dillinger was a dog in a million is wrong he is rare for a staff but not as rare as you say ,i also run a line of pitbulls and would say they are better than my staffs but not by alot good few of my staffs have made pitbulls quit and have beaten pitbulls in shows with staffs . and before you say my line of pits must be rubbish as most pitbull owners say when a staff beats them i will just mention that my line has danced with your line and i didnt come up the loser .
    I have seen staffs beat good pitbulls and good pitbull kennels is not the normal of cause but it is fact ,i dont understand why pitbull owners take it as a insult that there can be any other breed but theres that can fight .we all know pitbulls reign supreme i,am cool with that shame you guys take it the wrong way and wont give a bit of credit when it is due ..and ha as for being afraid of speed and violence ,i love the need for speed and violence bring it on does it for me ...
     
  20. Oxstaf

    Oxstaf Big Dog

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    Scarecrows duke beat 2 pits then picked up in his third game into ch bash , one of the pits we beat with him was in the hands of dr death so would say was well conditioned and well thought of ..
     

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