azium

What are peoples thoughts on this??

People used to use on their dogs before or after(which i can never get my head around)

 

Hi there Honeypot.

 

If you know how to bring one in nattie you will fair a whole lot better. I have seen it really mess up a dog when some one dont know what they are doing. My advise would be wait untill after the show only if you need it. Really dont use it at all if you can. Remadell in my mind is beter after .

 

See that is what im getting at,yeah its an anti-inflamentry.but it does this by being a diretic.the last thing you wanna do after a show is take fluid out of your dog.just reading a few old stories i cant see how using it after in anyway would benefit your dog.detremental in every i would of thought unless im missing some other effect it has on a dog after??

Used before on the other hand ive spoken to people who have seen awesome results...used right that is...apparently the slightest bit too much or slightly the wrong time before a show can NAIL your dog

Look forward to hearing others views on this??

 

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Sorry to sound like an idiot, but what is this and what is it typically used for?

 

Don't use it.

 

I gathered that, but what is it?

 

ive never used it before bama but think some of the folks in the usa will call it dex or dexamethasone there are different types of dex of which azium is one of them and depending on what you want from it is how you give it. preshow sub-q to remove water, post show intramuscular or IV for anti-inflamatory, believe IV works the quickest. have heard so many different opinions on it, so many say they would never give it preshow as whilst its great at getting rid of water the risk of running hot it massive and you already know the other side for post show why people dont like it...there doesnt seem to be any middle of the road response to dex/azium etc

 

It doesnt have anything to do with running hot redneck i dont think,might be wrong though it does the opposite actually(less water in them=running cooler),people have told me that it spaces them out,makes them weak/blank look on them used wrong before a show.what im trying to ask as i know the benefits of using before a show,why would people use it after as ive read that people have/do??

 

Its not specifically designed to remove water, thats actually an unwanted side effect(excessive thirst and excessive urination). Unlike the anabolic steroids that we hear about regarding sports medicine, azium is a catabolic steroid.
Instead of building the body up, this steroid is designed to break down stored resources (fats, sugars and proteins) so that they may be used as fuels in times of stress. Hence its use pre-show to drop weight. A ml or so under the skin can drop 1-2 pounds in 24 hours.

 

Not an unwanted side effect for me double 07,would be one of the main reasons i would use it??also to stop a dog going into shock and give them a boost.

Still not what im asking though lol.was wondering why people would use it AFTER.the only thing i can think is for an anti-inflamentary.but thats uneducation if that is the case as it does that by removing fluid,which is the last thing you wanna do is dehydrate your dog more:confused:

This is all just for discussion use blatently

 

I meant its an unwanted side effect using it "post", like you mentioned a dog needs to stay hydrated after his "workout". As your not asking that anyways lol Have you heard of folk use it post "workout" ??? I havent myself.

 

Oh ok misread that:p

Yeah i have heard it a couple times 00 but cant remember for the life of me where.it was either something the scotsman writ or springview or something to do with their dogs???
Sure it was a dogman from over here and pretty sure it was the scotsman in a story he or some one writ about him and his dog:confused:

Just something that stuck in my head and always trying to learn so wondered if anyone had heard the same or had a theory as to why you would??

 

Thanks for the info on how it uses stored energy etc didnt know that

 

regardless of what we have all heard i know people that have said it makes the dogs run hot from first hand experience. maybe they used that as an excuse for poor conditioning, i dont know, they dont seem to think it was poor conditioning, but just passing on the little i do know about it.
double00 i understood it like you, it breaks down fat etc quickly but also used very effectively to deal with water weight. alabama i spoke to someone earlier about it and got told he uses it with ringers, he will mix it with the bag so it goes in gradually with the other fluids. i asked him did it not counteract as there was more fluid going in and he said no. so take what you want from it. hopefully more will give you a reply with their experience

 

Ah Thanks for that redneck have an idea now,maybe they used to use it for the anti shock properties or maybe the anti inflamentary.........who knows lol...the bag would counteract the fluid lost i guess:confused:

 

Or maybe it stops swelling in some other way other than losing fluid??
:confused:

 

Azium is a anti-shock medication with anti-immflammitory properties. It is used to keep the dog from going into shock after the hunt. One of the main sources in dog death is from to much swelling, resulting in massive infection and high fever which will cause death if the swelling isn't taken care of. If you can get the swelling down, you can treat the infectious area, otherwise the swelling keeps the infected area inflamed and infected.
I do not recommend Dexing pre-show!! Is not used for that, and can make it harder to save the dog after the hunt. Its really only meant to be used once in a 24hr period and it will only work for 24 hrs. It will lower the dogs immune system for 24 hrs and by giving it pre-show, your setting your dog behind. Dropping 1-2 lbs 24hrs before a hunt is the wrong way, if you cant bring them down properly in 8 wks, then bring him in heavy. Id rather bring one in heavy than light, ill sacrifice endurance for overal strength any day of the week. Azium will strip the dog of fluids which is why is recommended to be used with an IV, to replace fluids as well as reduce swelling. Which is another reason not to use it pre-show, antibiotics work best on a hydrated animal, bringing a dog in to dry is a bad thing. So he's dry at the start, then gets even more dry from a hunt which strips virtually all his fluids by the time the hunt is over. Now, post hunt you have to try to replace twice the amount of fluid just so the antibiotics can actually work. This is the reason so many don't make it after the hunt, to much blood and fluid loss and not enough time to replace it. Equals= high fever, infection, sever anemia, kidney failure and death. Sorry so many words, hope this helps.

 

Wouldnt say its the wrong way just your way may be different to others purepit...a really interesting read thanks for posting