Are presa canarios good dogs

no problem, your ignorance is greater than your will to comprehend something that not only I have experienced but other people who had good presas in the past for decades and they are out of them, because they are other breeds that eat and weigh much less than a dogo canario, lol, and do 10x a better job than the best of them out there. proven and not read on books or hearsay

come to the Stafford side of the forum so we can talk about them ovethere

 

Dude are you kidding me ? Have you seen the j7 presas ? Stop generalizing. Anyone can say the same about your beloved Staffords but I am sure you know where to get good ones.

 

are you telling me they are pure presas? i dont buy it, a person who is new to this breed might, and with this i'm not accusing j7 or whatever to being crossing them themselves, down the line those have been crossed to some superior breed, i'd like to see those dogs doing some holding, a skill not many presas have nowadays

i dont deny my staffords are mongrels too that's not the point, at bite work maybe my staffords wouldnt be worth a damn i dont know and wont find out cause its not a job of bull and terrier to be biting a sleeve or to be trained for civil drive imo, but they are worth their food hunting wise, something i'm happy with, nothing more nothing less a good working small package dog.

 

You can say it,....honestly, the "presas" I've seen first-hand in the US were nothing like the ones I saw in southern Spain/Canary Islands years ago. Every last one that I saw home in the U.S. looked like a faded, overgrown AmStaff mix with a bad ear job. I guess that a few real ones are making it in now,...but I really wouldn't consider anything bred in the US more than a few years ago a Presa,...much less a working Presa,....and breeding good blood into those lines is like mixing a bottle of Dom P into a tub of fermented piss and calling the result champagne....just because you see a few bubbles....but, that's just my opinion.

 

since this got a little personal and the dogs we own, can you show me some pics or vids where your presa(s) is/are actually doing something more superior than the pics or vid(s) my mongrel staffords do in their spare time for fun which i have posted on the sbt forum? then i'll promise ill tip my hat to you and give you the credit you deserve. i give you my word.

i can talk all i want about dogs, books and kennels some other people own without direct or hands on experience but instead i have chosen to talk from facts. very few facts that i choose to talk about, because if i start mentioning names and dogs you will be amazed of what many kennels, including those of europe have, yeah! those dogs called dogos or presa canarios. i just not here to solve a puzzle its already there for you to see if you own a presa. look at a the different breeds i've mentioned the presa has influence from and be honest with yourself, of course that is easier to acomplish if you've know how the presas of the past looked and act like.

the day staffords arent worth the oxygen they breathe nobody would have to tell me to get rid of them, i will do it in a heartbeat. i left decent presas from decent stock long time ago because they are other breeds that do a much better job than the original presas were used for. they were call presas becuase they tore a sleeve up doing bitework, they were simply called presas because they could hold mean cattle as long as the owner saw fit. you see, many breeders want to find an easy way out and breed to stablished breed instead of conserving, selecting and discarding. i bet you if it is done this way you will get good dogs one day but iy will be a lot of hard work. this work i'm talking about is almost non existent and important in the presa community.

I still have access to presa lines of dogs many havent heard of. are they pure? of course not but since they have been in my family they've been bred worker to worker and mixed with a majorero here and there, but before that we are well aware they are bt, amstaff, apbt, etc.. mongrels, and whatever breed of dog that came to the islands and showed good qualities was thrown in there. this is not a secret if you ever go to the islands ask any elder overthere who had contact with these dogs in the past. i even got pics from a match in 1953 where one of our dogs was part of it, according to my grandpa he was a big sucker 35 kilos. anyway i know what i know, and i feel i'm going nowhere with this thread. all i wanted to know is sahre my opinion based on my experiences.

 

Come to elpresa.com and tell these people your theory let's see you come
Say it to them directly.

 

Go to minute 1:50 of this video and tell me what you think lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb9_hpY4C3c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

http://www.dogocanarioclub.us/forum/ if you are living in the states check out this forum for the best knowledge you need. Some of those folks are friends for life to me.

 

Here is a video of that presa showing its athletic
Ability.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhREtfrulTc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

as promised if it is your dog i tip my hat to you. did it impressed me? no just an average big biting dog, a presa canario? you wouldnt sell me one like that as such.

presas arent worth getting on a forum and argue dreams, i can make my own bandogue and brag about it, i know how to make one big and manbiter to the fullest too.
i dont own the damn dogs for a reason, they arent worth the money, feed and care.

 

It's not my dog and I actually like Staffords too. But you are generalizing the breed and it's an ignorant view. There is no way a j7 presa is built the way the presas you are talking about. You can't demean a breed because of bad breeders. There are good dogs out there. A lot will hate on Staffords because of the show specimen but we all know there are good dogs out there. That's the only point I'm trying to make. Good night !

 

agree, maybe i got carried away with my generalization, it's not what i meant to do and i apologize for that. the point i want to get a cross is there are some dogs that shouldnt be called presas because they arent, they are bandogues or recreated alaunt dogs. i dont tolerate mediocre dogs, its my nature. how many breeders you see working these dogs on controlling cattle, the rough job they were once created for; a job which is still legal in many countries? any dog breed can do bite work, but not every presa can catch and hold down a wild animal until the animal is humanely put down or away in a barn or something.


here's a pic of a dog considered a "presa canario", i dont think this dog couldnt have more different breeds blood running thru his veins

 

Lets see 12 gauge. (And sorry for my poor english).

Presa Canario in his history never been breed for pureness (sp), they were breed for a purpose, and that purpose changed or evolutioned a few times over the centurys.

In the old times, if a dog didnt perform as expected, they would put down that dog... and since this typical canarian dog evolutioned from a guardian / livestock guardian, to later a butcher dog, and then to a fighting dog.. the infusion of other breeds was inevitable.

Perro de Presa Canario was a type dog, a mongrel! And thats just because canary islands is a place where americans and european would stop in their trips overseas. Those visitors would bring their dogs and stablished their traditions suchs as dog fighting, canarians always been a competitive community, just check "lucha canaria". Shit, i live in Fuerteventura!

The purebreed stuff is more recent, check out how old is the FCI is and you'll understand what i mean.

Nowadays this breed has a real problem, and thats the "Dogo Canario" bullshit, if you want a good comparation, its the same that happened to APBT's plus 75 years ago when they standarized and renamed APBT's to Amstaffs.

Just to breed by judges preferences and other political reasons.

Are there working Presa canario? Of course!! Are there many breeders that breed subpar dogs, sure!!

When any breed becomes popular, be ready to expect a good % of shitty dogs all over the world. But that doesnt mean such breed is crap.

Just my 0,2€ and with all due respect.

 

I would never consider a dogo a real presa. It's like calling an amstaff a pit bull. Off course there are extreme show dogs that don't follow function but the dogs I showed would never win in the show ring. If we go
Further we can point out that there are hundreds of breeders calling American bullies the new pit bull but the ones that know the difference reallize the blasphemy. The dogo canario is a show dog, the working presa is a different animal with a different structure that would never win in the show ring.

 

Look at this dog and tell me if it lacks leg length or too short of a muzzle ?




Nothing but a streamlined functional mastiff

 

Thats the truth David. I understand the Presa Canario past, and i'm a purebreed believer (in working dogs context).

However, the actual Alano Español is something that i would consider crap.

Just because the efforts to recreate this breed was breed a mongrel that couldnt do his task. You want to recreate something because is extinct? OK, but you better do it right and produce something worth the time. Closest thing is Villano de las encartaciones, and thats just because this dog can do the same work as the Alanos in the past.

 

that's exactly what i've been saying, presa isnt a pure breed, hasnt been, hasnt been maintained as such and certainly it isnt now. could've been and they were selectively bred yes, very few do this and i give you that, but these dogs arent even called presas, people will tell you they have more majorero than anything else.

i have a bit of both worlds cause i also have have ancestry from Zaragoza and know a bit what's going on there, the peninsula i mean. most presas are being portrayed as a breed to do bite work, there arent many doing what they are supposed to, agreed. but to say a recreated breed mixed with other already stablished breeds, and give only the credit to a the term "presa canario" is what i dont agree with.

 

Alano, presa, malloquin, perro de toro, Cao de bou they are all related in my opinion.

I met the Alano and I liked what I saw, I was impressed and I am getting one next breedig after they hunt the dogs to make sure they are worthy. Here is a nice photo of some.

 

i know a present cross of bt, majorero, great dane, bull mastiff, you could sell as a "presa". good size, agile dog, does bite work and will go all they long. i swear if you see this dog you would think hes from the medieval times

 

if am not mistaken those alanos are from the tarantos, i think i might've seen those pics more than a decade ago when curro was still alive.