APBT= Bulldog or terrier

Just wondering what people on here think.....is the APBT made up off mostly bulldog blood or is it half n half (bulldog/terrier)? I think it is mostly bulldog from reading books on the APBT...stratton...jessup ect.....And many sites say bulldog and that is why us fanciers call it a bulldog right? or am i wrong?

I posted this on another site and what to know what yall think? although people may not like the jessup i think she makes a good point.
I do belive that there are some dogs with more terrier and most with more bulldog.

From jessups book "this breed is made up of primarly buldog blood with a little terrier infusion"

"in the case of the pit bull there is no doubt he shows little terrier characteristics"
Pit bulls are catch dogs like bulldogs...they dont work in "ground tournaments as other terrers"

Terrier have rough broken fur and very straight front, they are not brindle, pied or other colors of the bulldog family.

Terriers are small and apt to be alert, noisy and supspicous of strangers.

Bulldogs are medium size, short hair, brindle, fawn ect and have been developed to grip and hold unlike terrier which snap.
Bulldogs are rarely noisy and not supicous of stangers.

She also says she does not see terrier in the better specimens of the breed.

Dont make this into a bashing thread on me, jessup or anyone. I just want to hear what people think about this?


Aaron

This is also from another site i found.........
I know this doesnt mean much but here is this site saying this....
"
Upon arrival in the US they were crossbred to become larger and taller producing
offspring that resembled more the ancient bulldog (or molossian) type leaving
people wondering today why they are being called "Terriers". The terrier suffix
should simply be considered as a relic of their remote ancestors (the ancient
"Bull-and-Terriers"), not as an indication of these dogs' classification, type
or genetic make-up (they are not "half terrier, half bull" as is sometimes
assumed). These dogs and their descendants were often known under names that
referred to their breeds or place of origin (staffordshire bull terrier,
half-and-half or blue paul terrier, the now-extinct Scottish version of the
English Bull Terrier), or to their function (pit bull terrier). Later on new
names were coined (American pit bull, American bull terrier, Yankee terrier,
Yankee bull terrier).

I know people with 20 pound game dogs but i still dont see much terrier in them.

 

We discussed this a bit fairly recently, so you may want to run a search for that thread. My opinion is that they are mostly bulldog, and descendants of catch dogs. I dont buy into the "50/50 bulldog/terrier mix" at all. It stands to reason there will be SOME terrier in there, but I believe the make-up is say, 85-90 % bulldog.

 

Yea i agree, mostly bulldog but i posted that on another forum and i exspect to have some more people disagree because they allready started lol....who knows maybe i am wrong.

 

You already got my say, but once more- mostly bulldog

 

There are paintings from the 1400's that show bulldogs that look almost identical to today's gamedogs. Some people believe that APBT are closer to the original bulldogs than most other species in existence. There was some infusion of terrier blood because these are working dogs. You also should remember that it is a lot easier to feed a smaller dog than a huge animal especially in ancient times when your dogs food might be any leftovers from the family meals. The smaller animals also provided faster and more exciting fighting in the old days. This is an interesting topic and I'd like to expand upon it but my time is short right now. I might revisit this topic when I get more time.

Kind Regards,

B

 

I agree that they are mostly bulldog, but I love the more terrier like APBT's because of the reason B stated, they were smaller, and faster. I have a nice female bulldog, that I'm going to put to a small working terrier, my plan is to keep what I want and farm the rest out to my friends. With all the trouble that has been in our local area, I'm looking to reduce the size of my dogs over time, and hopefully calm some of the fears folks have about a good sized pit bull getting loose and hurting something. A 16-22lb. dog don't look all that scary. Mouser P.S. Here's a couple of pics, the first one is of a gyp I bred up, she's 1/2 bulldog, 1/2 terrier. The second pic is her mom, she's 12 3/4" tall and weighs 12lbs. I bred her with a 28lb. BolioxTombstone dog.

 

I'm not too sure on this point. Just because of the fact that the terrier in their blood is where gameness mostly comes from. I'm not saying bulldogs don't have any game in them, but the terrier in their blood is what sets PBTs apart from bulldogs.

 

I think they have mostly bulldog.....back in the days bulldogs were very game.....as far as I know at least....and of course they have terrier, but I would not say 50%.....I think the name of APBT's have is good.....i think its sums it up...first the bull..then the terrier

 

The Bulldog is a thouroghbreed like the greyhound. N O T H I N G is as game as a Bulldog. The best Terrier is not as game as a Bulldog, today, back in the middleage and before that....if we talk about fights dog-bear , dog-lion ,dog-boar we have O N L Y to talk about Bulldogs....not about Terrier...the smallest Bulldog kills the biggest Terrier! Yes they were crossings between Bulldogs and Terrier back in History.....but that dont changed the thouroghblood (the Bulldog) it changed some Terrierbreds......and it created some new breeds....for example the bulli or the patterdaile or the jack russel or or or....the reason for this crossings were the fact that a pure Terrier is NOT able to kill a badger one on one...he need Bulldogblood to tackle this job.

 

This dog looks sort of like a patterdale. I like him.

 

Sure our dogs were created through various degrees of Bulldog and terrier mixes. Both original "breeds" (those breeds mixed to create our dogs that is) are no longer in existance.

Our breed was not created because of a need to have smaller dogs. It was created because of the enforcement of Bull baiting and general dislike of rat killings in the pit by the middle and high classes. Regretfully, due to secrecy, no one really knows what % of each (assuming there were only two breeds used) truly is in our dogs.

In my view, each Dogmen with their respective family of dogs (strains/bloodlines of old) bred in a different percentage of each breed into these "new" pit dogs.

Funny thing is that although there are more than 20 acceptable coat colors in the APBT standard, only a handful of them have produced game dogs (with a few exceptions). Hmmm, I wonder why that is?

If they all (dogs of different coat color) had the same chance to prove themselves (best to best breedings), why did only a few of those past the test?

Also, a BULLDOG is meant to label a dog that has been proven successful.

 

Funny thing is that although there are more than 20 acceptable coat colors in the APBT standard, only a handful of them have produced game dogs (with a few exceptions). Hmmm, I wonder why that is?

Perhaps because certain colors, such as red & fawn, are more common in gamebred lines/dogs?

Game isn't a color.

 

I think you may have missed the point on game here, just because bulldogs were the main fighting dogs in the days of old, doesn't mean they were the only game dogs. Where bulldogs are known for their strength, terriers are known for their tenacity, and their ability to stick to a job until it is done. That is why the dogmen chose terriers, not just to make a smaller more athletic dog. If they wanted a smaller dog, well theres hundreds of them. But they chose the terrier. I think it would be biased to say that our breed is mostly bulldog just because they were the fighting dogs back in the day. But thats just my opinion.

 

I think that they are mostly bulldog because if you look at pictures of older time dogs (Crib and pilot for example) they look more like the modern day pitbull and American Bulldog. Terrier blood was added in just to increase the tenacity, because the bulldog already had the gameness attidude. The bulldog was the one with the ability to grip onto the bull, and the only reason terrier was added was to make smaller, more agile, more tenacious dogs, for dog fighting after bull-baiting was outlawed. IMO.

 

They cross Bulldogs with Terrier to get better Terrier, not better Bulldogs. Seriously, if you have a dog that is ready for the bull or the bear or every big cat and that is able to wip every other dog(include all Terrier).....I would think there is no need to use strange blood(regardles wich) to perform him....or? A dog like this has it all ,strength,gameness,endurance,skill, and he is for sure an awesome Athlete. If your opinion where right....well, then all ouer real one bulldogs from today would look like english bullis.

 

The english bulldog does not look like any of the old time bulldogs, it is recently created for show purposes thats all...if you look at pictures of old time bulldogs they look the same as the modern day APBT.

 

No one knows exactly about what was crossed with what and how much of this or that... Key word = exactly... no one really know for certain.

 

LOL! Whomever said that original bulldogs look like English bulldogs is exactly the opposite of the truth. The english bulldog is no longer capable of work. They took a bulldog and crossed it with a pug to get the current english bulldog. These animals can't even give natural birth. They are prone to hip issues, lung problems, and bone deformities. The english bulldog is a perfect example of people ruining a dog to pursue what they consider a better looking animal.

Regards,

B

 

Yup thats the truth....that is what happens when a bunch of show people get together and write out a standard of what THEY think a doig should look like.....My neibor has an EB and it is one of the best i have seen...i saw some on national georgraphic (dog whisperer lol) and they were always fighting but neither would get hurt and they were just fat.

I like hearing people thoughts on this thread so keep them coming...

 

realonebulldog. I have, positively, no clue what the hell you are talking about!!!
lol