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Any Doubt? Gr Ch Grunt dogs

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by infernobulls, Jan 3, 2010.

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  1. infernobulls

    infernobulls Pup

    I posted about a month ago about the Mayday x Grunt litter and got alot of people doubting the females ped (Grunt to his daughter) Check out how the Grunt Genes dominated this litter.

    First Grunt http://lh3.ggpht.com/_JteKZiuFClU/S0CizaTBmYI/AAAAAAAACRM/miboTNO2Ga8/Gr Champion Grunt.jpg

    another of grunt http://lh6.ggpht.com/_JteKZiuFClU/S0CivLDRhAI/AAAAAAAACQs/FR8Ix_oXPLA/adcox grunt.jpg

    Now My Bitch http://lh4.ggpht.com/_JteKZiuFClU/S0Ci10kwloI/AAAAAAAACRg/VbA0QHeR-xs/broadpig.jpg

    another of Miss Pig
    http://lh3.ggpht.com/_JteKZiuFClU/S...u=35;2__9__259_WSNRCG=329232625;335nu0mrj.jpg

    Now Miss Piggy and her only littermate Gonzo at 5 weeks I owned both
    http://lh6.ggpht.com/_JteKZiuFClU/S0Ci3ew8o0I/AAAAAAAACRw/x2JeQvtvdLo/s640/pig and gonzo.jpg

    Now my pups from current litter at 5weeks http://lh6.ggpht.com/_JteKZiuFClU/S0CjMAvhn0I/AAAAAAAACTM/JgrnQoQUMbI/s640/Picture 037.jpg

    The Crazy part is that the father is bred so much tighter, he is from a mother son breeding 16x Mayday 12x Stp Buck 8x Barracuda. Wouldn't one think the Mayday buck genes would have prevailed?
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=338238
     
    infernobulls, Jan 3, 2010
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  2. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    People doubt the pedigree because of its origin and its previous owner. He peddles dogs. No doubt there. I question the pups out of grunt because of the bottom side of a couple of the breedings. The Kay Kay bitch on one pedigree died at 6 months old but her papers came in handy some time later. The bottom side of your puppies is hung because Little Caesar was bred to Ch. Red Lady one time and had one female, Jacksons Chilo. I actually petted Red Lady on the head, and also bred to Little Caesar myself. I owned dogs out of the Little Caesar/Chilo breeding. JL was MC back then, and he had awesome dogs with awesome pedigrees but his pleasures come from not owning and breeding great dogs. His pleasures are in breeding dogs and either not papering them or papering them with the most popular thing going.
    The pups you have should be nice. The Grunt dog was a freak, not as accomplished as advertised, but a freak nonetheless. The topside of your pedigree is as a consistently a producing family is there is out there. It looks really nice. It should produce you some really rough game dogs. You should hope the genetic pathway comes from the topside and from Grunts bottom side. Anything coming thru the Red Lady stuff will be suspect at best (although I know they were quality breedings because he kept quality dogs, just know one knows what is actually there). Anything coming from Grunt's topside, well, let's just say there will be no need to pack a lunch. You will not be staying very long.
    Not intended to offend, just laying some facts out there. Stuff I have actually seen, just not heard or read. Best of luck with your breeding, you should have some successes there.. S.
     
    slim12, Jan 3, 2010
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  3. infernobulls

    infernobulls Pup

    Thanks for the compliments. No offense taken, I am always interested in finding the truth about breedings back in the pedigrees of my stuff, but there are those same rumors about tons of stuff so I can only look at what I have on hand. For the record Settles Kay Kay is NOT in the Pedigree of these dogs anywhere. This is the Kay Kay dog that I believe you are referring to. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=103287 which was supposedly bred to Grunt, but that was a different litter.
     
    infernobulls, Jan 3, 2010
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  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    yep. That is her. My buddy had a male off of 'her' and Thug, and there were pups off her and gruunt born within a couple of weeks of each other. I was just showing a pattern.
    Those dogs off Little Caesar are so far back the impact would be minimal. I like the topside on your dogs...the cross should be nice, some really rough and game dogs...good luck....s
     
    slim12, Jan 3, 2010
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  5. AncientKulcha

    AncientKulcha Big Dog

    Does anyone know about the GRCH grunt x Whitley's hera breeding? I've got a female that has a bottom side like that and she's just getting old enough to really work so keep your fingers crossed!!! Now confirmationally she almost champed out in just 2 shows, and her energy level is through the roof so i'm hoping for great things!



    (THIS IS NOT MY GIRL, but she's bred exactly like this)
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=101402
     
    AncientKulcha, Jan 3, 2010
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  6. infernobulls

    infernobulls Pup

    I like that bitch, nice.
     
    infernobulls, Jan 3, 2010
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  7. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    slim12, Jan 7, 2010
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  8. NorthernOutlaw

    NorthernOutlaw Big Dog

    Can you please post a link that actually works!!!
     
    NorthernOutlaw, Jan 8, 2010
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  9. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    just clicked on it and it works for me. s
     
    slim12, Jan 8, 2010
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  10. peezooooo

    peezooooo Pup

    how is those mayday grunt pups doing now that they have gotten a lil older and is there anymore for sell:confused:
     
    peezooooo, Jun 9, 2010
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  11. John Galt

    John Galt Pup

    Tailung was born 12-28-2008? That makes him less than 11 months old when that litter was born on 11-11-2009. Are those dates right?
     
    John Galt, Jun 9, 2010
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  12. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    considering where the dogs came from, it could be right dates, wrong dogs...or wrong dates, right dogs....or any combination of the above....the dogs that come from them are normally off high caliber dogs....you just never know which ones....sbb is a high caliber peddler of sometimes high caliber dogs....US1
     
    slim12, Jun 14, 2010
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  13. peezooooo

    peezooooo Pup

    Im not worried about if my grunt dog is suspect like others shes the truth grunt x blackdarla she is 5 years had her since 3 months i liked her so bad i traded max colts her for a daughter of nasty better yet the best female he ever made and a breed to my mayday dog a son of ch cock diesel capone and i drove there my self took a look at the dogs on both of his yards for a lil while off to the races after dat Precious has proven her self because of that i bread her and just had eight pups off a son off silvers Energizer look it up your self hes 40 on the chain shes 55 on the chain
     
    peezooooo, Jun 17, 2010
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  14. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    i have no doubt there are good dogs out there from bith him and grunt...never doubted that...but no one, and i mean no one can be for sure of what they have coming thru him....
    grunt was a freak of a dog...his bottom side is a family of good dogs...his topside is a majority of cold dogs and curs....his siter was the bulldog in that litter...sabotage was twice the dog grunt ever thought about being...grunt had bad habits that would lead one to believe he would not stay...he was given away by real dog men....then sold to JL/MC as a 2XW...within a couple of months he was a 5XW...he was bred to bitches that did not even exist...
    good luck with your dogs and if you are happy then that is all that matters....but when they come from there their origins are always suspect...US1
     
    slim12, Jun 18, 2010
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  15. peezooooo

    peezooooo Pup

    sabotage is the best dog out the litter you say if so that means the blood is good and even if it comes off grunt ill live with him beeing a 2x i got a 2x rite now and forgot to say he got one out of there in 1;30 i heard frisco and snooty was kurs look at the outcome on there futur you say grunt could of fell victom because of things he lack explain yourself im for sure whos my female bottom side un like others her mother only have 3 or less pups every litter she comes in heat one time a year like her mom pure eli bitch on the bottom slim twelve
     
    peezooooo, Jun 19, 2010
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  16. peezooooo

    peezooooo Pup

    over here we dont get all wrapped up in how the dogs bread we find out the other way i can care less about grunt i just know i have the truth and nothen else other than that
     
    peezooooo, Jun 19, 2010
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  17. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    not wrapped up in pedigrees....the post started off "any doubt"...and there is plenty of doubt about what comes from JL....grunt was bred to a bitch named kay kay...but his mugger dog was bred to her too....the puppies were registered two weeks apart...so there is doubt...
    and as far as black darla is concerned...she was a solid dog from a solid family from a solid dogman....got some just like that...but when she was left with JL it is no telling what was bred to what and what papers were hung on what...
    the post was about 'any doubt' in the pedigrees off grunt....and there is always doubt when JL is involved...US1
     
    slim12, Jun 20, 2010
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  18. peezooooo

    peezooooo Pup

    slim you rite about jL hes a fake forereal his real name is max colts this guy is a true liar i had some bad problems with him myself and black n blue had dogs on his yard and he beat both of us b n b got the bad end of the stick though i show learned my lesson dealing with him we fell out after that and he tryed to slick talk me in to giveing him back precious after she been all tested ha ha still laughing at wax colts about that yea i know a lil about those pure grunt dogs i seen 3 quite on his yard by by kids off desert eagle i heard majority of all them top n bottom grunt dogs are kurs whos got a winner off dat if you know my hommie cuban cowboy he can explain it even better.;)
     
    peezooooo, Jun 20, 2010
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  19. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    seen several off that stuff not work out...JL sent several dogs near here to be farmed and schooled....when the dogs did not work out he took them back...changed there name and kept right on selling dogs...there have been some really nice dogs from there but how they are bred and what papers are hung will always be in doubt....US1
     
    slim12, Jun 20, 2010
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  20. peezooooo

    peezooooo Pup

    You speaking the truth slim we are just about on the same page because the first thing jL say out his mouth is if it quit bring it back please and thats why i never wanted to buy any of those older dogs dont get me wrong he takes good care of them more power to him but we talken about the futur of the blood line hes screwing it up im not the one to be slashing people but i have some of the blood i seen a lot of time off her so no problems what so ever with precious i had 20 dogs at one time and i had to leave da game for some years precious was the only animal that i kept and i like mayday dogs more but she was more intense im back now and the pups to her bread to 2x Roc will produce good dogs
     
    peezooooo, Jun 21, 2010
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