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" A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

Discussion in 'Training & Behavior' started by chessfighter, Dec 27, 2009.

  1. chessfighter

    chessfighter Big Dog

    " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    I was recently on Riospitbull.com and was checking out there "Responsible Owner" section and came across this quote "A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed. Not only is being shy an abnormal Pit Bull trait....". It immediately brought to mind my dog. When she was younger I didn't properly socialize her like I'm doing now. Over the last 6 months I've been trying to expose her to many different situations, environments, and the city as much as possible. When we're in large groups of people I notice her tuck her tail between her legs. She's can be very shy. She's gotten much better over the last 5-6 months. Not as timid as she use to be, but shy none the less.
    I remember Ceaser Milan saying "dog's can only do one thing at a time", so what I do is take here on an hour long walk with a shredded ball in her mouth. This keeps her tail high in the air and builds confidence, from what I've noticed.
    I guess my question to folks is, is this common with your APBT(to be shy/timid in certin environments)? And will this subside with time? I've owned APBT's all of my life, but the difference between then and now is they were all exposed to things you would expect a dog living in the city to be exposed to. And how do you feel about the about quote?

     
  2. HighCoastHiker

    HighCoastHiker Top Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"


    I wholeheartedly agree with that quote. Now, with that said, there are all types and degrees of "shyness." and many reasons for it. There is that "uncertain in new situations but warms up after a few minutes and a stern 'settle down'", then there's pissing itself, climbing the walls to get away from everything shy. The first can be worked with. I guess you can work with the second too, but frankly, what's the use of having a dog you can't take anywhere or do anything with besides speak in low tones to and approach on your hands and knees. Sometimes shyness can be due to a lack of exposure to things, but with some it is genetic, and in my opinion and limited experience, beyond fixing.
    Is shyness common? No. But, unfortunately I'm seeing a lot more that are, and a lot more owners trying to convince themselves and others that the dog pissing itself in the corner is only really very "respectful." There are some rough, smart dogs that are shyish, there are some lines that are becoming more shy than others. I've had "shy" dogs. I will not have any more if it can be helped. After all, unless you plan to hold every show in your own backyard, and hunt in the dog's chain-space, I don't see the point of having an overly shy bulldog.
     
  3. outrightmike

    outrightmike CH Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    you speak the truth a shy dog will turn on you.as ive had in the past, he was people shy, hed have no problem bringing neibor dogs for presents but would hide from people.i got one that not shy but refuses to leave his chain spot unless going directly to another dog what would youll call that?i just call him a retard but he is one hell of a dog just no walking him.
     
  4. HighCoastHiker

    HighCoastHiker Top Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    Hell, in my opinion, as long as the dog will do the job you want him to do, in the way you want him to do it, poses no unreasonable threat to people because of the shyness, and you're willing to contain and control properly, breed and/or cull appropriately, more power to ya. There are, however, idiot dogs out there that are afraid of their own shadows owned by folks who insist on hauling them all around town while cooing "Poor baby" to the shivering sacks of shite. As long as the situation is right and you are willing to deal with it, no problem. I have kids, and wheter the dog is in the house, or the kids help with feeding/whatever, my dogs and my kids come into contact with each other. A shy dog that runs into its house or tries to dig itself underground at the sight of a child is not one I can trust enough to keep and feed-no matter how well bred it is supposed to be.
     
  5. outrightmike

    outrightmike CH Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    damm right bad people shyness = problems.neibors friends family first.
     
  6. NMWAPBT

    NMWAPBT Top Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    when i first got my dog he was very shy he was even to shy to come up to me but now hes the first on the scene for anything:D
     
  7. Wood23

    Wood23 Big Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    I have never had a problem with shy dogs, when I get a pup I let kids from my neighborhood come and play with them (under my supervision of course) but this helps me to socialize them as pups. Socialization is one my main priorities when it comes to apbt.
     
  8. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    wow, are you ppl really saying a dog will turn on you if its shy? lol
     
  9. NMWAPBT

    NMWAPBT Top Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    i doubt it unless u beat the dog and treat it like shit then thats wen a dog turns on you
     
  10. outrightmike

    outrightmike CH Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    mine did .he wasnt shy as a pup but grew shyer.we had him checked for hormon bal and ended starting to not like my tenager and then went after my wife giving her 60 stitches.after that did lot research and that is a sighn to look for.were not talking your basic shyness but a more advaced state.like h.c.h said runing and and hideing under the bed, trying to dig under the floor shy.like nmwapbt said first thats an acceptable shyness,not as deep as im mentioning.p.s that dog went every where with us and is now in a perm dirt nap!
     
  11. dajuice

    dajuice Big Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    Dogs are indivisuals and come with all kinds of different personalities. The history of these dogs is full of shy dogs that turned out to be outstanding [] dogs. Read up on those Plummer Ch Alligator dogs, one of their traits was that they would roll over and piss on themselves when u approach them.
     
  12. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    thank you button
     
  13. outrightmike

    outrightmike CH Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    some dogs will for a couple reasons like over ecitement.rolling over and running scared and pissing can be different synaros.ive had 16 more dogs come and go and havent seen one at that level since.
     
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  14. HighCoastHiker

    HighCoastHiker Top Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"


    I'm not going to dispute the fact that there were, are, and always will be shy individuals that were outstanding in other aspects and definitely worth feeding. However, extremely shy dogs don't fit my needs or my situation.
    There was a time if you had a shy dog you could take the time to get that dog comfortable enough in a specific venue to do the job it came to do.
    I don't live in a world where such arrangements can be made in this day and age. I've known dogs that were so shy taking them from their chain space sent them into a panic, much less loading them into a car, driving or hours, having them be handled by strangers, deal with noise, etc. Some couldn't go across the yard from their spaces to work out, much less go across the state to work. After all, dogs have lost after being purposely hung up in scales extra long, rubbed a little too much, you name it. So, for my money, betting on a dog that pisses itself silly, then shits and pukes its guts out before you even leave the yard just isn't worth it. I don't have the food, space, or bail money to deal with dogs like that. But, I see, understand and acknowlede the validity of your points.
     
  15. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    i can respect your situations. all i was saying was maybe a shy dog needs more attention but given that attention they may excell. beign shy doesnt guarantee failure just like it doesnt guarantee success. if you are in a situation to work with that dog i would recommend it, had a nervous one named fabolous and his name fit him. great dog!
     
  16. tony413

    tony413 Big Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    i've never had a shy dog, my current girl loves people an is easily distracted by kids
     
  17. wardogkennels

    wardogkennels CH Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    I have a shy dog now and have had quite a few of them. They won't turn on you and they just like most will quit and be game sometimes.
     
  18. wheezie

    wheezie Big Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    i think there were refrering to shy dogs being fearfull and how fear can quickly be turned int fear aggression.
     
  19. HighCoastHiker

    HighCoastHiker Top Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"


    You know what you're doing and what you're looking at when you judge a dog. A lot of folks aren't quite so knowledgeable. I don't buy into the whole "shy dogs will turn on you" thing either. I'm not into broad-brush generalizations about dogs, or anything else.
    However, we must admit that in the wrong hands, in the wrong situation, an extremely shy animal with the teeth and nails to react, but without the brains and nerve to differentiate between a real threat and child with a stick, for example; that extreme, unreasonable (and I want to be clear about this) shyness can make all the difference in the world.
    I've got nothing against shy dogs. The best bitch I've ever owned came out of a dam so shy she turned over furniture trying to hide away the night I came to look at her pups. The bitch I had would occasionally wet herself if voices got too loud, or things got too stressful, but for the most part was wonderful, and when it came time to work was so single-minded that no one ever knew she had an issue or doubted her courage. Ever.
     
  20. Zoe

    Zoe CH Dog

    Re: " A shy Pit Bull is a pathetic creature indeed......"

    I've handled quite a few shy dogs. My girl Venus was the epitome of shy but with alot of socialization, confidence building, etc... by the time she was well into adulthood, most people didn't believe me that she used to be so shy. She was the ultimate in rock solid temperment towards people though dispite her shyness. She never once showed any aggression because of it. If she was pushed to her limit, she'd freeze or appease or piss herself. lol If she ever aggressed because of her fear, she would have been culled.

    My third dog was a very shy dog that was EXTREMELY mishandled and had major behavioural issues because of it. It took a good year to turn her around and she turned out to be a great girl. Again, with the proper handling, by the time she was in middle age, you'd never know she had shyness issues.

    Both of these dogs were EXTREMELY driven and loved to work. In fact, I used THAT as a way to help them through their issues.

    One thing I've noticed about alot of shy dogs, is they seem to be highly intellegent, very sensitive to their surroundings, and bond strongly with their handlers, so if you know what you are doing, and handle things the right way, a shy dog can turn out to be the best dog you ever owned. ;)

    When it comes to breeding, I'm not a big advocate for breeding shy dogs, just because I feel bad for them and wouldn't want to go out of my way to produce more due to the suffering they go through being so uncomfortable in their own skin, but I'm sure there are shy dogs that are worthy of breeding dispite their issues. I wouldn't hesitate to take one on though as working with them is very rewarding. Nothin' like seeing a shy dog come into it's own. :)
     
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