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A modern history of the SBT

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by F.W.K., Dec 8, 2017.

  1. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. Retired Historican

    A modern history of the SBT
    Although in the context of Kennel Club recognition the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a relatively 'new breed', on the basis of the many drawings available, a Stafford-like animal existed at the turn of the 19th Century. A classic example is "Crib and Rosa", a painting by Abraham Cooper, circa 1816. For almost seventy years "Rosa" was taken as the model bulldog, but the modern bulldog bears little resemblance to her.
    Allowing for a slight prejudice, the only modern dog of this type is the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. An engraving of "Crib and Rosa" by Scott bears the caption - "Engraved by John Scott. Published in 1817". "Rosa" was by the Honourable Berkeley-Cravens "Old Bowler" out of Bowlems tulip-eared bitch, by Paddington Jones' "Hoppy" out of the famous Staffordshire bitch. "Crib" was got by Mrs Halls "Nimble" out of "Rosa". It is not suggested That the 'famous Staffordshire bitch' was a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, but it could be concluded that animals of that type, existed in that county before 1816. Her fame probably arose from her prowess in the bullring.

    Bull baiting was abolished by law in 1835 and coincidentally the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was officially recognised in 1935.

    What happened during those one hundred years in the wilderness? Prior to the abolition, the professional bull-baiters, or 'hunkers' as they were called, took their teams of bull-dogs around the countryside. After abolition their livelihood was in jeopardy and it is thought that they then turned their attention to dog-fighting. They had teams of battle-hardened dogs whose bravery was unquestionable. When it came to using them for dogfighting their immediate problem was the dogs instinct of biting and holding, which while essential in the bull-ring failed to provide a spectacle in the 'pit'.

    A popular view held is that Terrier blood was introduced to provide faster animals, but this seems inconclusive, as the bull-baiting dog gambled its life on the speed of seizing such a small target as a moving nose which was protected by fearsome horns. This doubt, cast upon a bull-bating bulldogs speed is influenced by the conformation of the modern bulldog, although it has to be said that the modern bulldog can move considerably faster than his appearance would suggest.

    If it was unnecessary to improve the speed of the bull-baiting bulldog, improvement had to be made in the direction of reducing its instinct to bite and hold. This was achieved by a reduction of jaw strength, which could have been helped by the introduction of 'foreign' blood e.g. the Terrier. It could also have been accomplished by selective breeding. Previously, dogs with strong underjaws were selected for the team, a practice which might well have been reversed. There would have been a reluctance to endanger the essentials of courage and tenacity, and an incentive to preserve these traits by the minimal use of 'outside' blood.

    There exist, copies of dog-fighting rules which are as comprehensive as the Marquis of Queensbury rules on boxing. These show that dog-fights became well organised events, but more importantly, a study of them shows that they placed the emphasis on courage, tenacity and endurance. Under these rules, no dog was allowed to be encouraged to fight and by the same token he could choose to stop fighting whenever he wanted.

    While the money depended on owning a winning dog, it was also necessary to provide a spectacle to attract an audience. Dog-fighting was a 'blood' sport and blood had to be provided. On the evidence of the modern day bulldog, the bull-baiting dog probably had small teeth which, while capable of hanging on, were not as efficient as large teeth at drawing blood from an opponent, so 'foreign' blood may have been a useful adjunct to selective breeding.

    As a 'blood' sport, in dog-fighting 'blood' had to be seen, which is why so many of the dogs engaged in this practice carried a lot of white. Not only was it necessary to draw blood, but it was just as necessary for the spectators to see the blood which had been drawn. Dogs with weaker jaws would be more likely to change their grip for a better one and thus more action would follow. Dogs with larger teeth would draw more blood. Dogs with white coats would better display their wounds.

    However, even today a Stafford will do more damage to subcutaenneous tissue than to the hide. Relatively unmarked dogs have been unable to move the next day through deep capillary bleeding. The author was reminded of a brief skirmish between a Staffordshire and a German Pointer, and although the dogs were quickly parted and checked for damage (which there was apparently little or none), they were not surprised to learn that the Pointer was unable to put his foot on the ground next morning.

    When eventually dog-fighting was outlawed, the bull-baiting, dog-fighting dogs continued to exist in pockets mainly in the Black Country, where bull-baiting was continued for some years after it was prohibited, as no doubt did dog-fighting, when that in turn was made illegal. They had never been members of large kennels and their transition to 'house' dogs was a natural progression. Staffords came in all shapes and sizes, the one constant being their mental make-up. Affection for his friends and children in particular, his off-duty quietness and trustworthy stability, made him the foremost all-purpose dog, which enabled him to become an acceptable member of the family. As a nursemaid to the children, while providing a little sport for the master by way of a little ratting or badger-baiting, with his workmanlike appearance to discourage intruders. These were some of the characteristic traits that made a contribution to his meteoric rise in popularity.

    Unhappily to the authors mind, the Kennel Club has dropped this 'characteristics' clause from the 1987 Breed Standard. This seemed ill-advised at a time when they are discouraging mental defects in dogs generally.

    Kennel Club recognition of the breed is shrouded in mystery. Recognition was announced in the April 1935 Kennel Gazette in the name of Staffordshire Bull Terrier. There was no explanation as to how this came about. No Breed Club or Breed Standard existed.

    One possible explanation suggests itself. At that time 'Bull Terriers' could be registered 'Sire, Dam and date of birth unknown', so in effect any dog could be registered as a 'Bull Terrier'. In consequence, many of the dogs registered were found to be, what became known as Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Thoseof you fortunate enough to possess pre-war Kennel Gazettes can see Sir Richard Glyns coloured Bull Terriers, andwill note their distinct similarity with Staffordshire Bull Terriers. The fact that 'downface' in Bull Terriers did not exist at that time addedto the similarity.

    The Bull Terrier fancy has always had strong representation in the Kennel Club. Its first secretary, Mr.Shirley was a prominent fancier of the lightweight Bull Terrier, and at the time of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier recognition, there was Sir Richard Glyn. Possibly this accounts for the recognition of the Stafford in somewhat unseemly haste, to prevent purchasers of Bull Terriers ending up with Staffordshire Bull Terriers.

    In early June, following recognition in April 1935, the Kennel Club gave permission for Staffords to be included in the classification of the Hatfield Show. This excellent start was marred however, when the Best in Breed Stafford bit the ear off a Scottie that was passing its bench. Jimmy Pye, the Show manager, who was at that time something of an impressario in the Dog Show world, managing all sorts of shows, barred Staffords from being classified at any show run by him. It was a penalty that extended for over ten years.

    At the Hatfield Show, Mr.Sam Crabtree judged the Staffords and did a very good job, in spite of the fact that at the time no breed standard existed. No doubt, the fact that he and his family had been Bulldog fanciers for many years, helped in his decision, which were very much in line with the subsequent Breed Standard and his critique would serve as a model today.

    Later that month, June 1935, a club was formed and a Breed Standard drawn up under the title of 'A Description of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier'. This document was adopted on the 15th June 1935
  2. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. Retired Historican

    Norseman's Critique of SBT Article

    "It's true to say that the dog 'Rosa' shown in the painting bears more than a passing resemblance to some modern Staffords. People should not be surprised at this, because despite many writings to the contrary, there exists no evidence that a cross was ever made to Terriers to create our breed. It may at first seem madness to suggest such a thing, but when examined in depth, Stafford history shows the events and reasons generally given to be nothing more than assumptions and guesswork. Indeed, it becomes clear that the breed we call the Staffordshire Bull Terrier received a name first, and then the history was created.
    Baiting sports were indeed outlawed in 1835, but to suggest that our breed was in the 'wilderness' until Kennel Club recognition is wrong. The baiting dogs of the time were still kept and admired by those who valued them for their gameness, often using them as outcrosses to other breeds to improve the qualities of these other dogs. These owners were more interested in whether the dog could undertake his task, rather than how he looked. Baiting continued to be participated in well into the late 1800's. However, as it was illegal, large crowds were not encouraged. It was far easier to hold clandestine dog-fights rather than events with larger animals, and these matches would be held inside, often in pubs. In these areas the spectators would have been much closer to the action, and trying to contain an excited 50lb dog would have been difficult. Smaller examples would have been easier to handle and these smaller dogs began to become popular.

    Further evidence that baiting continued, is to be found in an 1889 book on the bulldog by Fulton. In it, he writes from memory of a bull-baiting that took place in Greenwich. He describes how Bull-dogs, very different from the ones exhibited at the time, were run at the Bull. One has only to examine old paintings and prints that depicted baiting, etc. They clearly show the dogs that Fulton is describing; very different to Bulldogs but identical to Staffords. Of course these dogs were named according to their main function at the time, Bull dogs. Not all dogs of this type were run at the bull, the pastime cost money and the poorer classes tested their dogs against other dogs.

    The qualities that the baiting dogs possessed were ideally suited to all forms of combat and in particular dog-fighting. The 'official' history suggests that this was not so, as the the dog held too much and drew too little blood. This is a fallacy which history compounds further by explaining dog-fighting rules. The sole aim of dog matching is to find the most game dog, however, this is not always the winning dog. The dog who is most game, is the one which will continue to fight regardless of the punishment that he receives. It cannot be sensible to claim therefore that the old time dogmen bred their dogs to 'let go' more and have less instinct to hold, as Cairns suggested. It is the tenacious dog who keeps his hold that shows his willingness to fight, whereas the dog that does not keep its hold would appear to be unwilling to continue, and wants to give up the fight. What's more, once the dogs were fighting the aim would be to bite hard and thus injure or incapacitate the opponent. With this in mind, it does not seem credible to suggest that jaw strength was reduced and thus makes this less probable. It would be akin to Mike Tyson working on his fighting style, to enable him to punch lighter.

    What is more, the dog fighting rules mentioned explain that dogs 'out-of-hold' can be counted out. With that in mind, would dogs be crossed with Terriers to 'let go' more.

    The Stafford, with the exception of perhaps the American Pit Bull Terrier, has the strongest jaw of any dog, coupled with an instinct to hold on. It is obvious that the argument given for reducing jaw strength is perhaps the clearest example, of how the idea of a Terrier cross is being woven into the baiting dogs history, with little or no evidence to support it.

    The article then goes on to extol the virtues of owning a white-coated dog, claiming that the blood showed more clearly on its coat, thereby providing more visible blood and attracting more spectators; yet more inaccurate information. It seems to have been forgotten that the pastime was illegal. The reason that whites predominated amongst baiting dogs was due to the fact that they were descended from the 'Alunt', a white-coated mastiff type dog, brought to Europe by tribes from Asia, and used as guards, hunters and sporting dogs. Boxers also originate from the Alunt and a glimpse at photographs of old Boxer (or 'Bullenbeiser') Shows reveal a majority of the dogs to be completely white. White still occurs in Boxer litters despite the attempts of exhibition breeders to eradicate the colour.

    Let it not be forgotten the 'official' history explains that the bull-baiting dog had small teeth to help him hold on to the bull, but which were no good in drawing blood. The Terrier blood was then introduced to lengthen the teeth (weaken the jaw and reduce the holding instinct). Can it really be, that smaller teeth were more efficient at holding flesh than long ones? Of course not! The American Bulldog is quite capable of holding a wild boar during the hunt with 'normal' sized teeth, as is the Dogo Argenteno. It is assumed that because the modern Bulldog has small teeth, the old baiting dogs must have had them too. This is forgetting of course that the modern-day Bulldog has been crossed with all manner of dogs, including the Pug, to obtain the ultra-short face; not a characteristic of the early baiting dogs.

    To sum up, the Bulldog that we know today bears no resemblance to the baiting and fighting dog of the 1800's, whereas the Stafford is identical. Early fanciers of the Bulldog such as Farnham and Fulton acknowledge that the Bulldog, with its ultra-short muzzle, was a show development. The excuse given for the muzzle, was that the dog needed the nose turned up in order to breathe with a hold on the Bull. The wrinkles that cause so much discomfort, were required to drain the blood from the dogs eyes. Strange, when we've been told that; a: the Bulldogs short teeth drew very little blood, hence the Terrier cross, and once he took hold he never let go, so what did he need to look at...and b: other dogs that hunt by biting and holding do not possess ultra-short muzzles, or turned up noses. The Stafford, as previously mentioned has no problem with biting or holding. It seems as though a story has been created to explain a deformity.

    Thus, I believe that the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the original baiting dog, with no crosses. The 'official' history has been created to fit the nameand not the facts. A name considered because the Bull Terrier, touted as the gladiator of the canine race, had already been Kennel Club registered. This dog had hard evidence of Terrier cross and was registered by its creator James Hinks. This dog was widely admired for its alleged gladatorial prowess; what a shame when it was everything the Stafford was, and the Bull Terrier was not
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  3. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    As always..great share FWK
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  4. Jstaff

    Jstaff Big Dog

    This was really interesting, I was reading a paragraph of stratton's the other day and he also believes that there is no terrier in the APBT.
  5. Lrs

    Lrs Big Dog

    I think the terrier comes from the rat baiting dogs that got registered along with the sbt. You need terrier in a dog if it's going to be good at rat but not what you want for a combat dog. Pointing out the obvious but I like these types of debate lol.
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  6. Jstaff

    Jstaff Big Dog

    The more I look into it the more I'm beginning to agree with Stratton , he says that breeds were added to create the modern day bulldog and the APBT was/is the original bulldog so if you look at it that way then the bulldogs were created using the APBT mixed with other breeds and not the other way around.
  7. Lrs

    Lrs Big Dog

    The apbt is as close to the original bulldog as you can get there's no denying it. However in places like the Westminster pit there where 3/4 terriers that competed in the rat pits did they disappear? Not likely as they were worth a fortune and it was known that many people bred to them.
  8. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. Retired Historican

    "Ratting at the Paris dog show", Engraving circa 1870
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  9. Jstaff

    Jstaff Big Dog

    So you mean 3/4 terrier and 1/4 bulldog?
  10. Lrs

    Lrs Big Dog

    I do.
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  11. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    I had chatted a bit with Stratton online in regards to this.

    My theory is this
    In the older days...peasants were not allowed to keep hunting dogs..supposedly.
    Just hierarchy was allowed to keep the larger.. catch .lurch...pointer...type dogs...
    The peasants were only allowed to keep terrier type dogs..vermin dogs..

    Well when a bitch is in season...its hard to keep suitors at bay.. As most can attest with stories of such incident.
    Well some of the said hunting types could have crossed and this could also be where the "close guarded pedigree" or breeding records began.

    It is a bit far fetched...
    I for one do believe there to be terrier in the APBT...but with all the research that has been done on the breed..and where it leads to...and from...I am inclined to believe record...and add my own speculation...as most seem to.

    Still love the cookie crumb trail into the past...and follow it ..and draw my own conclusions also.
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  12. Around 1700 things were changing in Europe and the British Isles.In the British Isles Bull baiting and other baiting events were no longer practiced under a Royal pardon.and because of this the Bulldog, or the big strapping catch hounds,what king Henry,and Queen Elizabeth kept.began to be kept by the working sections of society.(butchers,market workers,costamongers,exc,exc.)around this time,I believe was the birth of dog fighting.as these working sections of society began to test there baiting dogs by fighting them with each other.around the same time,these same working sections of society kept terriers.purely to kill the brown rat.what terriers these people kept needs some mention.you see the terrier previously to that time was of a nodiscrip sort.used mostly by vermin bounty hunters,or farm workers.to drew badgers and kill foxers and polecats.but now foxhunting with hounds and horse,was beginning to become a sport for the gentery.and the gentery did not want the terrier to thrash the fox.they wanted it bolting for the field.( "Tally Ho" lol) around that time, big land owners kept packs of tiny beagles for rabbit hunting.these beagles were crossed with terriers to produce a dog what would "bay" at its fox.and try and persuade him to bolt.(there is plenty of evidence of this cross in old literature) this (i.m.o.)produced a white body terrier in a ruff and smooth coat.although both(ruff and smooth)were awesome.the fox hound packs would of prefared the ruff variety.quite simply because of the cold conditions when hunting foxes.the smoother variety would of been perfect for hunting the brown rat in the town's and city's(the brown rat was a new invader all over Europe at that time and it's black cousin who spread the plage was on the brink of extinction.)inamong the piles of rubbish and filth which congregated in such times.it would not have took long before the folk of the time started testing these terriers in the rat pits.I believe these terriers were further crossed with small greyhounds to get a faster dog in the rat pits.these small greyhounds were not quite yet "whippets".and could be got on the outskirts of towns and city's all over the country.these small greyhounds would of been used to "fill the pot".(rabbiting,ferreting,exc,exc.)for many family's all over Great Britain.the cross would of been awesome.hence the old English White Terrier and the old English Black And Tan Terrier(smooth).an ideal dog to kill rats against the clock in the rat pits.perhaps up to two dozen of the fuckers??.But as this sport progressed.and fifty and a hundred and a hundred and fifty(some reports say a thousand,which is probably an exaggeration.)rats were used.this terrier needed newer blood again.and they found it in the Bulldogs of the time!!.the two sports most definitely caught on!!.and they were very popular.from here on no one no's what percentage the dogs are.some reports say the cross(bull and terrier)were used for both sports.some reports seem to say for rat there was more terrier blood.for fighting more bull blood.who knows??.either way,what ever happend it resulted (over time)in a dog what became known as the"Bull and terrier".perhaps the fighting dogs were kept purely for fighting.and had little or no terrier at all in them?.there was many books wrote in the 19 century about dogs.and they all mention the "Bull And Terrier"cross what's used for fighting.however if you care to read any of these books from this time,you will notice that there are more bigger chapters on other breeds of dog!!!..and not one dogman of that time wrote a book on the subject!!.so with that in mind.whatever books were wrote about dogs in that period should be taken with a pinch of salt.especially when they make reference to fighting dogs!!plus all them writers from that period seem to copy each others writings.anyways evan if there was no book wrote about the creation of fighting dogs.there was enough evidence in the pedigree of them!!.as it's history was wrote in blood and gore.it fought the Bull six weeks before Christmas every year for some 600 hundred years!!.it fought bears imported from other shores.it fought every large animal that Europe,Ireland,and Great Britain could find.dam!!.the people of the time would of crossed them with anything.and still got a dog that would fight!!.that's how good I believe the old baiting dogs was!!.you would have been able to cross it with anything!!and still get monstrous Bulldogs/Fighting dogs in phenotype.I don't believe for a second that they were crossed together(Baiting dogs and Terriers)to get a better fighting dog!!.but I do believe they were crossed together for some reason or other.and I don't believe they were crossed together to make the baiting dogs faster!!.to make them smaller yes.to make them easier to handle in the pit yes.to kill huge numbers of rats like I just said yes.to make more dogs for sports as the baiting dog were staring to become rear yes.either way,I believe the modern a p.b.t.(not the s.b.t.)is in appearance/phenotype(and perhaps attitude)identical to some of these old baiting dogs.whether or not they have terrier in them!....so yes,the a.p.b.t.is a Bulldog.he's also a Bull and Terrier...lol.lmao.we'll never get to the bottom of that one.....you decide dear reader!.a.p.b.t.Bulldog?or terrier?or both?..lol........yis.
  13. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    Real working dog people added what worked. Then lied and said they didn’t. I don’t think they were worried about purity as much as the working dog succeeding at the work at hand. I’m also one of those people that believe Redboy is part hound of some sort. Go figure
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  14. Look at them houndy ears in many red boy and red boy crosses.perhaps it's because of the big strapping hound they once were in Henry and Elizabeth days?perhaps it's the Beagle blood through the Terriers?(like what I just mentioned above.)it's Interesting to note some strains look "Greyhoundy" .perhaps that has something to do with the terrier also?(like what I just said above also.)perhaps it has something to do with Lord Orfords experiment?(Lord Orford tried to improve the Greyhound for Here coursing by crossing the baiting/fighting dog's with his Greyhounds of that time c1780s.)who know's?perhaps it's just a pure baiting dog what's been selectively bread for dog on dog combat from the time all the baiting sports were starting to decline?.we could go on forever,and ever.and we'd never get to the bottom.perhaps these big monstress baiting dog's(which I.m.o.p.decend from the Alaunt dogs.)were crossed with anything,because they were dying out?.perhaps man noticed that the best dogs to cross them with was terriers?.(quite simply because terriers are smaller,easyer to handle,easyer to feed,very smart,and they probably containd the blood of lots of different dogs in there make up,but they were of a set type!!.and they attack stuff!!so do Greyhounds.).either way.it makes no difference now....the a.p.b.t has been bread solid(very pure)on American soil for way over a hundred years.it has been bread purely for sport.America is huge!!.it has been bread throughout the whole of America for way over a hundred years.resulting in a dog that's one of a kind.the king of dogs!!.a truly special creature.God bless the American DOGMEN who have maintained these dogs for the last century or so.because without them,there would be no such breed.....the history of these dogs is very fascinating.....................
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