Staffordshire bull terrier

Bill man.....
i dont think Al Brown prefaird Staffs whatsoever.

The APBT and the SBT aint the same dogs.although they resemble each other.
the APBT is a mix of every pit dog from Ireland,Scotland,Wales and England (and perhaps other lands to)

The SBT is a show version of the Pit dogs that were once bred in Staffordshire and the Midlands.
ide even go as far to say that the APBT has more Irish pit blood then it has more Staffordshire pit blood.

Pilot was bred in Staffordshire though and hes in a lot of dogs.
but the APBT aint made up of just Pilot blood.

If that makes sence???
sometimes i fucking cofuse me self lol

 

I get what your saying my take on it is before the stafford become a show dog it was a pit dog but show world ruined it but there is still some breeders still trying to keep the real stafford alive

 

I've always believed the stafford and apbt were once the same do you no what lol I keep talking about this got a poxy headache .now why do the kc fuck so many breeds up if they cant breed them how they should be get rid of the kc

 

I doubt it , they ware imported as Show dogs , maybe tested them , but I doubt matched them ,,

 

LOL.

not sure Bill..shitty kc.

I have to say though,that the kc dont breed dogs.

 

all pit dog , including the ones from Staffordshire , have same background , sure Lloyd's Paddy was said to be from Irish bloodline , hence his name , they ware all just pit bulls back then , English dogs ware bred with Scottish dog , Irish dogs got bred with English dogs ,,etc etc

 

LOL.
i was just talking shit to be honest mate..

And I agree with what you say.
me grandad had dogs...his had all diffrent bloodlines from all over the place,but were bred by the docks since before 1900 so were considerd Scouse dogs.

Same any were i guess.
just like now you breed a pit bull to a pit bull and its a pit bull,regardless of area.

I think back years ago each diffrent area bred there own dogs,but i still think they were all bred into each other at some point regardless werther they were staff or irish,scottish exc.

I no the Irish and the English hated each other and this spread across the atlantic.
maybe there was bitterness over the dogs in that respect to?.but they were still all bred into each other at some point.

Paddy came from Ireland into London then of to America with Pilot.so theres a Staffordshire bred dog and a Irish bred dog and the two of em were bred a lot in the States.
Alkens pic of the Blue Poll doing battel with a Badger is in the westminister pit down in london.English and Scottish hated each other to,but they bred them Scottish dogs to there own dogs for sure.

All the best mate.
as i said i was talking shit,rambling,babbling call it what you will.
i never meant to confuse anbody..even tho i confuse me fucking self sometimes lol.
Im no academic on history lol.

 

I may be confused.

 

Yes he did.
wats said here is that they were bred into each other before they crossed the atlantic.

And its my shitty writing David as to why your confused.
i confuse me self sometimes mate.

 

me to.

 

Im thinking about all this Irish and English stuff.
probs blew out of proportion now i think.
just like the Bull and Terrier is blew out of proportion.
if you read history books on this subject your led to the belive that there was no fighting dogs untill some one crossed a Baiting dog with a Terrier.hence the Bull and Terrier.
this simply is not so.
fighting was in exsitence long before anybody made that cross.im not saying no terrier blood entered into the gene pool of the pit dogs,but i am saying if it did enter the gene pool makes little odds,and i seriously doubt the cross was made to make or improve fighting dog blood.theres enough evidence to suggest the cross was made,but i think the cross was made more for rats then dog fighting.
same with the English and Irish thing.its true areas all over the place had there own strains,but to think of them strains as "pure"Irish,English etc is a little of.
no body calls em that now.you dont here of pure Texas pure Calli etc.but you here of pure this dog or that dog.
i cant seeing it being to much different two hundred years ago.but i suppose a lot more knick names were used back then.and even the laungue back then,although the same is spoke now,still had some words that were worded and prononced different.

Im talking shit again.rambiling on lol.
it can be a nice subject this side of the history,its never ending and you could never get to the bottom of it all.
no bodys right or wrong really and theres probs some truth to some of the things in the history books.its just that nothing that black and white.and it sure is a convinient way of explaining the history of these dogs.a Baiting dog and a Terrier were crossed and hey presto!....
little to covineiant really i think.

All the best every one.

Sorry for boring you all lol.

 

An example of the Irish dog mixing with English dogs , no doubt good dog went to Ireland ,,


British Demon , mention in the article


Dublin Toby , mentioned in article

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Good info sometimes I think the English bull terrier history is been mixed with the Stafford history before they were called Stafford and if the did mix the terrier with the bulldog it must of took awhile to get them right and I believe the half and half dogs were bred back into a full bulldog to get the terrier percentage down and has time went on type started to be fixed i bet when the first started crossing the two you had some hairy fighting dogs lol and once they started going to America maybe something else was added or again as time went on they started to change naturally with breeding selection

 

Well said Soze I agree.

 

Is that out of LB Hannas book or the Armitage book @dusty?.

Both books list plenty of English and Irish blooded dogs.
both books are inportant to anybody studying this subject.

 

I got both them books soz I got them years ago from a place called read country farm books online I've tried to oder more books over the years from them but can't find them

 

Just best to best breeding produced these dogs in my opinion,nothing too scientific. early doors that is, Read books sometimes sells stuff on ebay etc as Greengrass.atb.

 

OK thank you stedz

 

You can down load both of them for cheap mate.about a fiver each i think they are.
i had them of Read country books and i had them down loaded, and the pictures seemd better qaulity in the down loaded ones...whether they had been tidy up by the computuer and thats why they were better i dont no?

anyways they both good books.