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Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by AGK, Aug 17, 2019.

  1. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Working in healthcare has its perks. It allows me access to some pretty useful shit. Anyone with these dogs, especially multiple dogs should have some kind of emergency first aid kit on hand. Technical know how to use such items is even more valuable. Over the years I have put together a pretty insane kit. I can straight up get surgical with what I have aquired over the years. We got a new product in last week and it's dope AF. My newest addition to my kit,

    Battery operated electrocautery pen. Bleeders, no problem. Skin tags and tumors, a simple swipe and their gone.

    Most cautery instrumentation uses either a monopolar or bipolar cord that gets plugged into a cautery machine to work. These machines are several thousands of dollars each. This pen runs off aaa batteries. Makes the need for the machine pretty much a thing of the past.

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    What kind of things do you yourself keep on hand in a kit for those just in case situations.

    Figured this topic could develop into a pretty good discussion on aftercare when shit goes sideways, or it won't. I guess we'll see how it goes. I'll even throw in some of my own stories of wound management or simply fixing what a vet fucked up as time goes on depending on how it goes....

    So what do you keep available for those just in case situations?
     
  2. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    This post will trend to how amazing these dogs are because they do well in spite of their human counterparts, sometimes in spite of us altogether.

    Aftercare can sometimes be considered an after thought. So many good dogs are actually lost due to poor aftercare, and so many more can't/don't come back out because of aftercare/lack thereof.

    Being in the health care field will give you a leg up. Simply understanding which antibiotics work best for what would be a lesson for a lot.

    Tons of dogs were one ringer away from being the next great thing.

    Knowledge is power. Anybody can get them torn apart, it is the putting them back together that is the key to multiple successes.

    S
     
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  3. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Iodine. Peroxide. Razor. Alcohol. Antibiotics from Pennicillin to Cephalexin to amoxicillin to baytril. Winsrol V. Ringer and catheter. Dexamethasone. Super glue. Nitrafurazone. DMSO. Triple antibiotic topicals. Boric acid/gentian violet. High sodium content chicken noodle soup.

    I went to a hog dog event once and a female was slit from 'asshole to appetite' as they would say. I watched a guy use a staple kit and I was blown away. Bought one but have never used it. As I am thinking of it now I believe I loaned it out and never got it back. (thanks for the reminder)

    S
     
  4. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    After reading this I don't feel so bad now, I got a staple gun and never used it either, got a rough idea how to, but zero experience using one.. I always used sutures and by that I mean a curved upholstery needle and cotton thread, done a nice job on CH.Bash's head after the Scarecrow's Duke 2xw show, Bash just let me work away on him, then he ate his dinner after I finished, a funny angle to that story is a couple of weeks later my son in law got stabbed in the arm by a gang of local curs, I still had the needle and thread I used on Bash and offered to stitch the knife wound for him.. Like the fool he is, he agreed, think I got to about the third suture and he passed out on the floor, I stitched the rest while he was unconscious, but I remember thinking that Bash dog one tough little MF.
     
  5. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

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  6. stickler

    stickler Banned

    Manuka honey and propolis.
    It's an amazing stuff for those who like to go more natural and do not like giving antibiotics and stuff at all times or at all.
    Just try it on your own.
    Price is high for just honey. But it's cheap as a sweet medicine. Highly recommended.
    Use it for over 15 yrs now ... best medicine ever ... and saved me a lot of money.
    Easy to use. Pure or mixed in clean water. Just clean out wounds with a solution (giving fluids - clean honey water - is a positive side-effect) and close it on top with propolis.
    Perfect for inside mouth-damage. Had a dog dying on down kidneys. Tried hard for 3 weeks to save him. At that time he got a fungus on his tongue and inside his mouth.
    Couldn't save the dog, but the fungus was gone completely after 3 days and was under control right with the first rinsing.
    Sorry, but I want to say it as clear as I can: anyone who is not using manuka (and propolis) is a fool !

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/manuka-honey-uses-benefits
    https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/manuka-honey-medicinal-uses
     
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  7. stickler

    stickler Banned

    A staple gun is a great easy to use tool that even I can handle ;)
     
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  8. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    re post #6.. the manuka honey (NZ, AUS) is superior in terms of medical quality - topically or internally used. although some of the raw, unfiltered and organic stuff made here in the US is pretty good too, and less spendy. honey mixed with organic apple cider vinegar (with mother), purified water and a couple drops of human grade DMSO can help with a myriad of ailments, aches and pain. For dog and human. much to be learned and said about the healing properties of natural foods. modern allopathic medicine is unequalled in human history in terms of diagnostics, lifesaving, surgical repair and temporary relief, but unfortunately often ignores naturopathic methods and preventative health. too quick to reach for the industrial petroleum chemicals synthesized into medicine and pain killers - and antibiotics instead of considering the powerful gifts mother nature has given us.
     
  9. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Slim I have always felt this aspect of care is severely overlooked by a lot of folks. I've seen people do some pretty archaic type methods to patch one up. Seen even more that ended up dying days later from sepsis from improper aftercare and or poor wound management.

    When I bred to bugz years ago he was only less than 2 weeks off a hunt. I could smell the infection on him from 5 feet away. Anyone who has been around a person or a dog whos wounds have become infected won't ever forget what that smell is like. Very noticeable and very preventable.

    I always felt it was the probably one of the main reasons that just a week or 2 after doing the breeding he got off his chain and ran into a 2xer named drakers and was killed in pretty short order.

    Antibiotics are a must with ANY kind of wound care whether large or small.
     
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  10. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator


    They are far easier to use than suturing. Especially since I rarely see people who have good suturing technique. Vets included, most I've seen do a damn butcher job on suturing wounds leaving the closed wound to scar like a zipper mark that the dog will forever have.

    You just basically use a forcep to hold a part of the wound together, the middle of stapler jaw should be placed where the 2 pieces of skin come together then you just squeeze the staple out. It's very easy.

    While I have a ton of different kinds and sizes of suture from catgut to polys and everything inbetween it's rare I use it. I'm big on dermabond skin glue for wounds that don't need sutured in layers. Heals and scars far less than sutures. Less painful to the dog as well.
    I never use staples in lower legs or the face as the tissues are very thin in those areas but anywhere else the staple is probably the better method of closure IMO.

    Just remember, not only should folks have a skin stapler on hand in their kit, they should also have the removal tool as well..... I keep a few of each around.

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  11. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    A few other wound closure items I keep around.

    Suture

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    Dermabond surgical skin glue

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    Steri-strips

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  12. jstevens

    jstevens Big Dog

    Slow down!! just filled the first page on my note pad. Seriously this will most likely be a great thread and needed for some as well. I know I picked up a few helpful things. Love that pen.
     
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  13. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member


    Hold up. That pen.. Does it work with Mast Cell Tumors?
     
  14. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    It would. However, those types of tumors you need to get under the tumor as well or it will just grow back and also spread. That's a bit more involved a job than a skin tag or basic benign tumor since those mass cell tumors invade surrounding tissue as well and all of the surrounding area also need cut off or out.

    It will remove them but they'll just come back if you dont cut away the surrounding area as well.
     
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  15. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Sliver nitrate has come in handy for me over the years 20190817_130050-1.jpg to cauterize nail quick bleeds and cauterize happy tail. Will basically chemically cauterize most minor bleeds pretty effectively.

    And yes, it's a chemical burn so they will not enjoy this. I had my nose vessels cauterized this way as a youngin due to constant nose bleeds as a child and it's not a very pleasant experience. I muzzle and put in a stand when using it.
     
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  16. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    While we're on the subject of closing wounds, suturing, stapling or gluing open wounds one should also have these available as well otherwise you'll create an even worse situation in the healing process.

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    Penrose drains are a must for deeper wounds and punctures. Stitch them up without one and an abcess is very likely. Without one your likey to have a bad situation get far worse and fast.
     
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  17. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog


    When one's not on hand I've heard folks just dont put in the last stitch/staple so it has a small gap to allow draining. Never heard of an abscess forming when that is done.

    Pretty lucky to have all you do available to you as most dont.
     
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  18. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog


    Why the winny v?
     
  19. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    That will work too in many cases. I've done it myself. A few years ago my dog pumpkin abcesses from a puncture wound in her neck that I had missed and scabbed over. Within a week she abcessed. I took her to the vet and paid 430$ for them to open it up, drain it and clean it out. They didn't put a drain in or leave the last couple stitches out for it to drain on it's own. She abcessed again even worse with in a week. I wasn't paying that again since they didn't do it right the first time. I called Wardog over to help hold her so I could open her back up again. I used Dermablast topical spray to numb her cheek then WD made a 4 inch incision laterally down her cheek muscle. She popped blood and puss all over the place. I used dermabond to close it back up but left a half inch unclosed to drain. She healed up perfectly then. I can still see the Vets scar, you can't see mine.

    That's a very good point to add Holocaust.
     
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  20. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I wondered the same thing other than stripping down bulk in a keep I'm not sure what it would do medically. The only steroids I use is predisone and it's much different in use than anabolics.
     
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  21. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog


    Only thing I could guess was MAYBE swelling but with dex on hand you're covered there.
     
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