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Show us their Ivory

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by kiwidogman, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog

    You're right about the marcellotine...

    That was a complete stoner moment. He has a weird grip for his involving that gross thumb he has but it's not the marcelotine that was my mistake...


    And though all you said about gi and no gi is true he still became a black belt in a gi... so that doesnt negate my point at all.... and again hes the exception not the rule. 99.99999% of people with both hands will never touch his level.

    Ill end the gi vs no gi debate once and for all with a quote from the best bjj practitioner ever, The 27 times World Jiu-Jitsu champion Renato Laranja, "jiu-jitsu is the gi"... lol
     
  2. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    The big teeth can be an awesome sight but like AGK said, the longer ones usually break. Some of the freak types have a really wide base and still get pretty long and those hold a little better.

    I have never seen the correlation to teeth and mouth, but there is a correlation between teeth and the appearance of damage.

    Some are pressure biters. GRCH Rufus was flat gummed the last two or three times out. The last one he barely drew blood.
    We had one named Bo, a Snooty/Bolio/Red Boy male, from a family not known for tremendous biters and he bit like Rufus. He hit a son of Deadlift from a Mayday bitch in the kidney area. It swelled like a balloon and it was over in minutes. Not a drop hit the floor.

    Three phases.

    When a dog with true mouth bites, he penetrates and even when he violently shakes the wounds and damage is done from penetration. Lessen the true mouth some and then the violent shakes do damage from both penetration and laceration. Lessen the mouth a little more and the violent shakes are just about all laceration.

    Based on appearance the dog with little to no mouth leaves what looks like more damage. A bloody mess. The middle dog leaves a mess but does more damage. The dog with true mouth does tremendous damage yet the outward appearance does not look all that bad.

    Grab your wrist with the opposite hand. Squeeze as hard as you can and then try to slide it up and down your forearm. It does not move from the spot but the skin moves a little. This is a true biter. Lessen the grip a hair and your hand will slide up the wrist a little. Lessen the grip a little more and it will slide back and forth.

    Now imagine, if you had sharp points on your gripping hand. The least of the grips would shred your arms but it would all be skin deep. It would look awful but would not leave you broken.

    Mouth works the same. A dog with true mouth and big teeth are devastating. The bigger teeth dogs with lesser mouth usually break them off by partially sinking and then violently shaking.

    It gets into all that fulcrum point and leverage and all that science shit.

    No being able to sleep at 2:30 in the morning leads to off the wall babbling. My apologies.

    S
     
  3. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    Bites from a defensive state of mind can manifest in the front of mouth, primarily canines/cutters..sinking deep ripping, slashing and shaking in order to inflict as much soft tissue damage as possible, to stop the perceived threat, while self-protect. Some would say the mindset is one of less confidence because the dog perceives a threat to survival, and is trying to protect itself, with flight an option as well. Prey bites kill and crush the food source. More confidence, dominance, overpowering mindset behind the bite. Full mouth grip, sink all teeth. Kill. Most likely an oversimplified explanation, but according to my research. The game dog mindset I believe is different than average working dog, so I would not know how much defense vs prey bite factors in…but they are still dogs not too far from the wolf. As we learned teeth are important, but not necessarily a limiting factor either.
     
  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Very true.

    I did some bite work with the Filas some years back. The Filas, as a breed, are defensively driven, and for a real high percentage are fear biters.

    There were some Malinois and Sheps and an American Bulldog and on the sleeve it is a big difference between the front of the mouth vs. the full mouth bite.

    For me it makes the bulldog all the more impressive. If I were to be bit everything I learned was not to try to jerk it out but wait for a re-bite and try to get out of the grip as more than likely a dog biting a person without training is a fear biter and on his fronts. Sounds great but 99.9999% of people will try jerk out. That actually adds to some damages.

    The bulldog will take one to get one.

    S
     
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  5. Fl0w

    Fl0w Pup

    [QUOTE="AGK, post: 776508, member: 9113.] Broken teeth can lead to abcesses, further tooth decay, pain and infections that can eventually become systemic. [/QUOTE]

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    My dog miss some of his lower incissors, one has been totally pulled out but two others are broken as the one we can see on the pics. Should I ask my vet to take them out?
     
  6. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    It's never a bad idea to have broken teeth removed. If left alone they will just further decay under the gumline and most likely cause pain and issues later down the road.

    I look at the mouth as one of the most important parts to pay attention to. Mouth issues are usually the point of start for many, many other ailments.

    Take a simple tooth infection for example. Generally speaking, easy to treat but if left untreated, the dog is constantly swallowing that infection and introducing it to other areas of the body where it can colonize leading to further compromise of other, otherwise healthy areas.

    I pull broken teeth, or have them pulled under sedation by a vet if it's something that I can't do or the dog won't let me do myself.

    It's one of those an ounce of prevention bests a lb. for the cure type situations.
     
  7. Fl0w

    Fl0w Pup

    Thank you for your answer AGK!
    I'm gonna ask my vet for that, I have already pulled out his dew claw a few time because they were broken but a teeth... I need to see someone doing it first^^
     
  8. big teeth only matter with certain types of pulling
     
  9. Mr.Revolution

    Mr.Revolution CH Dog

    Ima just say if more game dogs had a set of chompers like a Shepherd/Mal a lot more dogs wouldn't make it home. Buts that my opinion.
    Also Imo its doesn't mean a dog cant/wont win but it is a disadvantage, at least until the dog learns to work around it.
    When facing a slick fast opponent a dogs k9s will make it easier to get a hold to be able to control said opponent to and hopefully get to where the damage can be done.
    Missing K9s mean the dog has to get more mouth on the opponent in order to gain a hold
    Again just my $.02
    Any dog that can put 1 away without all their hardware def has my respect as far as they offence goes
     
  10. Mr.Revolution

    Mr.Revolution CH Dog

    I also equate a dog missing teeth to a man missing fingers not hands. Imagine wrestling with no thumbs
     
  11. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    That is a pretty good analogy.

    The object is to have every advantage known to man going in and if there is one area that may be deemed a disadvantage, the next area better be super.

    S
     
  12. kiwidogman

    kiwidogman Top Dog

    Lol good one
     

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