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How often to deworm

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by cliffdog, Sep 15, 2011.

  1. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    So my question is if you can get worms and parasites from raw meat but you can't get them from dry dog food wouldn't common fuckin sense tell you that your more likely to get them on raw diet than on kibble? Maybe it should be called uncommon sense...
     
  2. Cynthia

    Cynthia Top Dog

    If you are on heartworm prevention you buy at the Vet youare deworming for intestinal parasites monthly

    Heartworm Prevention

    Interceptor (Milbemycin Oxime) 4 weeks and older. Pet must be at least 2 pounds
    Protects against Heartworms, Hookworms, Roundworms and Whipworms

    Heartgard Plus (ivermectin/pyrantel) 6 weeks and older
    Protects against Heartworms, Hookworms, and Roundworms

    Iverheart Plus (ivermectin/pyrantel) 6 weeks and older
    Protects against Heartworms, Hookworms, and Roundworms

    Tri-Heart Plus (ivermectin/pyrantel)6 weeks and older
    Protects against Heartworms, Hookworms, and Roundworms

    Iverheart Plus Max (ivermectin/pyrantel/praziquantel) 8 weeks and older
    Protects against Heartworms, Hookworm, Roundworm, and Tapeworms

    Iverheart and Tri-Heart are generic forms of Heartgard.

    Combination Products (Heartworm and Flea)

    Sentinel (Milbemycin oxime and Lufenuron) 4 weeks and older. Pet must be at least 2 pounds
    A pill that protects against Heartworms, Hookworm, Roundworm and Whipworm

    Sentinel is Interceptor (Heartworms) with Program (Fleas). The flea control (Lufenuron) is not an adulticide. It is an insect growth regulator. Lufenuron breaks the life cycle at both the egg and larval stages. It sterilizes the eggs. The adult flea still lives it's lifecycle on the dog.

    Advantage MULTI for Dogs (Imidacloprid/Moxidectin) 7 weeks and older and 3 pounds or more
    A topical flea control and heartworm prevention and is effective in the treatment of certain intestinal parasites including hookworms, roundworms and whipworms in dogs. But has NO Tick Control.

    Revolution (Selamectin) 6 weeks and older
    A topical flea control and heartworm prevention. Also protects/treats Ear mites, Canine sarcoptic mange, and the ONLY tick it will protect against is the American dog tick. There is other ticks that it does not protect against that also carry diseases that could be life threatening to your dog. And has no Intestinal Parasite protection listed on the label.

    Trifexis(spinosad/milbemycin oxime) 8 weeks and older
    A pill that kills fleas, prevents heartworm disease and treats and controls adult hookworm, roundworm and whipworm infections.

    Trifexis is a combination of Interceptor (milbemycin oxime) for heartworms and Comfortis (spinosad) for fleas. The flea control Comfortis is a rapid kill. The fleas start dieing in 30 minutes and full kill in 4 hours. It is also a 1 bite and the Flea does. It has no tick control listed on the label. Also DO NOT USE WITH THE OFF LABEL USE OF IVERMECTIN.
     
  3. Cynthia

    Cynthia Top Dog

    If you are using Ivermectin at 1/10 (0.10cc/ml) per 11pounds as a heartwmorm prevention at that dose it covers heartworms, roundworms, hookworms, and whipworms.

    However at that dose it is considered an overdose (4x rec amount) for heartworm prevention.

    The 1% Solution is 10mg per 1ml which equals to 1mg per 0.10ml

    1 milligram (mg) = 1000 mcg (µg)

    If Heartgard comes in 0-25pds (68mcg) 26-50pds (136mcg) and 51-100pds (272mcg).
     
  4. Cynthia

    Cynthia Top Dog

    Actually Cliff if feeding wild animals they are at risk for the Taenia species of the tapeworm. Now Taenia is not the same as the Flea tapeworm (Dipylidium caninum). I can scan and send you the article if you like.

    Rabbit at risk for Taenia pisiformis. Rodents at risk for Taenia crasssiceps. Swine Taenia solium. Wild Ruminants at risk for Taenia hydatigena. Sheep at risk for Taenia Ovis and Taenia multiceps.

    Also Toxoplasmosis gondii, whose infective carrier is the cat, is of great concern to pregnant and immunocompromised people. More importantly is the infection of people through eating undercooked meat or improperly washed vegetables.

    Giardia is another one. It lives in the intestines of infected animals. Wild animals can be a carrier. Especially since they are drinking from stagnant water.

    Now freezing greatly reduces (but does not necessarily eliminate) the potential for parasites.

    And E Coli. I know Cliff you heard about Alabama Rot. Since your family is in greyhounds. And with 4D or not for human consumption greatly increases the risk for bacteria and parasites.

    These are just a few. Since hookworms, roundworms, whipworms are all fecal oral and if eating the entire animal those can be transmitted as well.

    So with feeding raw especially wild animals I would say deworming more often is important. <O:p</O:p
     
  5. Cynthia

    Cynthia Top Dog

    Now Fenbendazole (Panacur, Safeguard) takes care of roundworms, hookworms, whipworms, and the the taenia species of the tapeworm.

    Again taenia is not the flea tapeworm (looks like white rice) so if you see tapeworms (rice/seasame seeds) you would need another type of dewormer.

    Such as praziquantel. Praziquantel takes care of cestodes. Dipylidium caninum, is the usual target of this medication though praziquantel is also effective against less common types of tapeworms such as Taenia and the more dangerous Mesocestoides species and Echinococcus species. Praziquantel is also effective against flukes.
     
  6. Flipside

    Flipside CH Dog

    Very nice Cynthia....well put explainations!

    YIS
     
  7. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    Thanks AGAIN Cynthia, gonna print those post out
     
  8. punch650

    punch650 Big Dog

    give 11/2 c to a 46 pound dog think that its been working so is that to much or to less
     
  9. Cynthia

    Cynthia Top Dog

    You mean 1.5cc?

    That is 15mg and yes that is ALOT! And not needed. And a waste of money and product.

    If you refer back to the Heartgard doses on what the doses of Ivermectin that takes care of heartworms. It is in micrograms. You are giving 15,000 micrograms when all that is needed for your dog to take care of heartworms is 136 micrograms. I am sure your dog is fine considering that when dog's have demodex they get higher doses of Ivermectin on a daily basis.

    Now with that said if you were to give 0.10cc per 11 pds or more commonly 0.10 per 10 pounds. You would be taking care of heartworms as well as intestinal parasites such as rounds, hooks, and whipworms. But again even at that dose it is considered an overdose for HWP because it is 4x the recomended amount. And it is not FDA approved.
     
  10. punch650

    punch650 Big Dog

    thanks but that's buy mouth and safegard I'm doing good.right
     
  11. Worm your pup every week from 2 weeks to 4 months
     
  12. Is there any reason to worm for tapes if you don't see any evidence of them? We are so mild here, we mosquitoes year round.... Is it worth doing anually 'just cuz' ?
     
  13. hardluck

    hardluck Banned

    you know some one correct me if they want please, but what i feel im doing is correct over here on my part. as they mentioned earlier in the post, i also give give ivermectin cattle and swine 1% 1 once a month every month even in the winter months just out of habit. you can stop in the winter, but i do it out of habbit. ivermectin 1% cattle and swine is so strong that you dont have to treat for any other things in the dog, but you still do it out of precaution. especially if your not the type to take your dog into the vet. i give Pyrantel Pamoate for roundworms and hookworms to the dogs once in the late spring months and then agian in the early fall months even if i dont see symptoms of exposure on top of the every month of ivermectin. that i would think would be enough and the rest i would treat only if it is visible which i doubt anything would be visible or exist if treated like that.
     
  14. Cynthia

    Cynthia Top Dog

    Only if you want to. It will not hurt. I only do if I see evidence of them. I also get annual fecals done on my dogs. Just as a precautionary measure.

    Depending on the region of the country you live in you should not stop in the winter. Down here on the Gulf Coast you better not stop. We do not have winters like they do up north.
     
  15. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

    Everybody at work thx you for the info cynth, i had to game em up over here lol
     
  16. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

    What about tradewind for the other species of tapes?
     
  17. hardluck

    hardluck Banned

    well im gonna wish i lived in the gulf coast come January up here in the mid-west lol. you guys do have more worming problems than up here and the way i treat seems to be good for were i live. maybe i could throw in some Praziquantel for tapeworms in the mix, but were i live i feel comfortable with just 1/10 dosage of ivermectin that im giving to take care of that. i know it doesnt cover all tapes, but i dont think i have to be concerened with all the trust i have in the ivermectin alone. i never had a flea problem either and i treat for fleas continuously. i have heard of treadwind to be good, but never had to use it.
     
  18. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    God info also. Bump
     
  19. slowstarter

    slowstarter Big Dog

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