Old game Bred Bull terriers

Nice. Black Brandy sired a hell of a lot of offspring. Theres not many listed on that pedigree but throughout the dog fancier magazines there are loads of dogs he was studded to and his offspring. Often sired large litters of upto 12 pups. Henry must have made a fortune off that dog lol much like Colby did with Pincher.

 

That's not true. English bull terriers were never used in the pit and never passed their genes on through any cross. Frisco Sport was pure APBT - Dogboy will confirm this!

http://dogs.bsl-sbt.com/articles/englishbullterrierandinfluenceingamedogs.php?l=

 

I told you another time..il you are talking about the egg head tipe you are right but the oEBT was good for show, pit and work...

 

Don't be spitting your dummy out because your fantasy stories have been shattered son.....

And what makes you think it was the EBT influence that made dogs like Frisco Sport what they were?? You're forgetting that the APBT was the dog that likely gave them the ability..... but stick with the show ponies it tells a better story

 

He is making a joke.

 

I'm sorry but cause my english low level i don't always understand sarcastic people

 

Actually I believe it contributed a lot. Blood from banjo ran some hard mouth as banjo was a punisher, and a ch in the ring and the box, and edgecote peer was an escape artist who was so dog aggressive that his owner had to sell him because peer would outsmart the kennel hand and go after others dogs.

 

No problem, I understand English is not your first language. Just stay on the form and your English will get much better. I enjoy reading your posts and I always understand what you are trying to say. EBT is on our side and does not run down proper bull terriers.

 

Looking at the original snap I'd say he was an apbt. He has to distinct a stop for a bull terrier of the period, might be a cross but as he was extremely game it's doubtful he's a cross. The majority of crosses even in those day's lacked gameness.
The bull terrier has never been a game bred breed it's whole history is the show ring with a made up history like other show breeds. The breed has never had a heritage as a working (fighting) dog or we'd be reading about their accomplishments in number not wondering where they went.
All the talk of bull terriers biting harder than the apbt is nothing but wishful thinking. Being aggressive towards others dog isn't gameness which is what most bull terrier fanciers think if their dogs are aggressive.

 

Snap? The seton dog? Did I miss something?

Seton's dog snap?

 

Shit double post my bad lmao

 

I meant Box Bulldogs gr grandfathers dog when I said original snap.

 

Ah. Well not really. Head is typical of ebt of the time. Maybe a bit fine. EBT were used in the box in America and India. Also Australia before apbt arrived. Never too much in England back then.

 

Thank you for taking the time to look and giving your opinion. Seeing that picture growing up I thought he was just a pit bulldog but I have been told by family that he always called him a bull terrier. As Robertosilva said most people called them bull terriers in those days Roberosilva also said white pit bulldogs were far more common in those days than today.

 

I showed a relative who's 4th generation bull terrier fancier and he's of similar opinion.

 

No it's not, I've looked through quite a collection of photos from the period and couldn't see one that looked like Box Bulldogs gr grandfathers dog.
If they were used as regularly as you make out they were in the US, then we'd have a hell of a lot of consistent produced match reports. We don't instead we have very few.
India doesn't have a history of dogfighting, it's a fairly new thing similar to how it is in Pakistan. I'm sure you know but the lack of gameness in the bull terriers taken to India and used for hunting, led to the creation of the coloured bull terrier.
Even in oz it was a very rare thing for bull terriers to be matched. It was a small scene there but I'm told Staffords were the dominant dogs before the apbt got there.

 

A list of a few dogs with ebt influence, or straight ebt who were used in the pit.
Frisco sport, ch Dan, Frisco sport jr, Katie Sherman, ch diamond, birdstone floss, new stead nut, brantford crystal, queensbury Bo'swain, the list progresses. Back then apbt and ebt were register under the same breed and bred freely. That cannot be denied.

I'm not a fan of Indian dogs in general, so I won't debate that. I know the truth to be different, but regardless

You were told wrong then. Go back to the 20s-50s. Ozzie dogs were mainly ebt. Then the stafford was introduced. Last dog who was an EBT that I heard of was a half bred 1xw. But have records all the way back to 1914 of pure ebt used in the pit or for hunting in oz and I have Ozzie doggers to back me as well.

 

Basically any dog that would engage and keep on fighting were used briefly at one point in time ....its just that most were forgotten and not used as much anymore due to the popularity of the APBT being the best fighting dog around.

 

Thanks for showing my picture. Any information and opinions are greatly appreciated.

 

EBT were used in America? Against what competition?

Exactly, the APBT is the world's premier fighting dog because it's the best breed at doing it.....