Old game Bred Bull terriers

Exactly form follows function not the other way around. You wouldn't cross into the EBT or the Bulldog to improve your fighting strain.

 

Bull terrier, Bull & terrier, half & half Call like you want but Not american

First club 1887, official registration 1933 My friends

 

This is an opinion by a fellow fronte 1900 Just To understand the original white was a fighter, Maybe not much ability and mouth but game..i love apbt over any breeds and i know apbt i The Best but old bull terrier don't was only for show

 

You are correct there. People used them for work that cannot be denied.

 

Yes they used them for work but first and foremost they were created to be show dogs.

You can still work American Staffordshire Terriers yet they are a showdog despite their ancestory.....

 

The original EBTS was not a fighter, how many times do you have to be told? The Bull and Terrier is was basically the APBT in everything but name.

The Americans didn't add anything to the mix and used the same dogs that came from England and Ireland, how hard is this to follow?

 

The first Bull Terrier Club was created in England in 1887. In 1888, the Bull Terrier Standard was published by the Bull Terrier Club. The breed was recognized by the American Kennel Club in 1895. In 1992 the AKC recognized two different sizes, the Standard Bull Terrier and the Miniature Bull Terrier. can you show me ,,,where it was registered in 1933,,,, Bull terriers have been shown in English KC shows as well as AKC shows well before 1900

 

Mo

1887 first club
1888 standard
1933 registred

 

Bull Terriers were registered in the Stud book of the A.K.C. - You can view these online as far back as 1889 - https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b814971;view=1up;seq=531



You can view the dogs registered with the English KC even further back.

 

The first modern bull terrier (egg Head without stop) was Born in 1917 And his Name was lord gladiator...The Breed (no stop show type) was registred in 1933

 

Hinks start his selection in 1850 with working bulldogs And after his death was his sons Who created the modern ebt without stop...

 

Hinks was a dog dealer who Bred Show Dogs. http://www.riahorter.com/Dogs in Canada-Masterminds Bull Terrier.pdf

 

Robertosilva ,,,already proved the white bull terrier was KC registered in England as early as 1865,,, you still not showing one bit of evidence they ware registered in 1933,, where you get this from..?

 

He's classing the appearance of the egg-head in the Bull Terrier as a seperate breed when in reality as with any show bred dog, fashion dictates looks. As soon as the show crowd swooned over the down-faced Bull Terrier that is all they bred for. They are the same dogs just went from nice looking dogs to cartoon characteurs of their former selves. Nothing wrong with Hinks wanting an all white Bull Terrier, distanced from the fighting dogs so he could sell them to the Gentlemen and ladies on the show circuits.

 

Exactly, sadly with dogs humans want to make them grotesque beyond belief until they become unhealthy shitting machines. The Dogo although large resembles the dogs Hinks created than the EBT does itself these days.

What are your views on the APBT's history and the original Bulldogs?

 

what it say ,,, and is it the Italian KC ,,,? I can't read Italian ,,but I know Staff Bull Terriers ware first recognized in USA in 1974, American Staffordshire Terriers in USA in 1936 as Staffordshire Terriers , Bull terriers , in the 1880s ... APBT by UKC before 1900 and ADBA , I think just after 1900

 

It Say the first egg-Head was lord gladiator in 1917. First club of Breed(egg-head) in 1887 and the official registration (egg-head) in 1933. And cause The healt problem To An all white subject They put staffy blood and registred The multicolor in 1936

 

I don't think anyone can say for certain. The old dog books seemed to copy each other and were talking about the old Bulldog as if it looked like the squat, undershot pugnaious plodding English Bulldog. The old Bull baiting paintings, sketches, illustrations show a dog that was similiar to The Pit Bull Terrier, but were these dogs already Bull and Terriers? Wasn't the original butchers dog just smaller selectively bred Molossers related to the bandogge and mastiff. Probably bred smaller for speed in baiting the Bull. One thing for certain is that the men who were interested in dog fighting never kept the massive bulldogs and mastiffs the aristocrats kept.

There's so much made in nearly every source available mentioning the various terrier crosses it's hard to ignore that crosses did happen with game terriers. I don't believe that the original bulldog was too slow for fighting but that it maybe did just hang on as that's exactly what it was bred to do for centuries. The men of the Black country kept the smaller dogs due to cost and the heavily industialised area they lived in. They didn't have room to keep large dogs.

I think the hunting Bulldogs used as catch dogs were different from the Baiting dogs, more like the alunte type mastiff x sighthounds. The working men who kept fighting dogs didn't write books so we only have the stories and anecdotes from the rich sporting class and those they spoke to to know whne the first crosses of Bull and terrier were supposedly made. In reality the rougher classes just used what worked, different sizes, shapes and colours across different areas of the Uk and Ireland.

I think it naive to say no cross breeding occured whatsoever with the original bulldog as so many dogs were kept of many differerent sizes for ratting, baiting the badger, dog fighting and bear baiting by the same men.

 

My theory is this, like it hate it its my opinion I take all yours into consideration so please do the same with mine. I believe there was small game bred terriers in the British isles for several hundred years that were approx 15-30lbs that resemble today's APBT. At a later date they bred the English bulldogs which were used as butchers dogs/gripping dogs/bull bait dogs. When bull baiting became old news they started pitting more dogs and started cross breeding the small game terriers with the bulldog. So a small dog like Pilot would of been mainly terrier or pure while a dog like the Henry dogs would of had a lot of bulldog in them that's why there is such a size difference. As for the Bull terrier I believe they were a small white terrier that probably was similar to a Jack Russel and crossed it with Bulldog for size and I always thought the early ones were game bred but did not perform as well as expected so they went from pit to show.