Poisonous Snake Bites

That's nice but the info is posted by the people that make it...as far as I know there is no substantial research to back their claims

 

According to the 2011 American Animal Hospital Association’s Canine Vaccine Guidelines:

“Field efficacy and experimental challenge data in dogs are not available at thistime.” [2]
Maybe this has changed but I cant find any new info

 

Here's a good link showing why you can't trust everything the company that makes it says
terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2010/06/snake-oil-or-snake-

 

Damn just yesterday I'm applying fertilizer to the yard and the puppies are clowning like hell...I'm like here we go again, I turn the corner and notice there all pointing in 1 directioning with the fuss....nothing loose, i thought damn squirrel or frog...they all around the woods...I get close a big black ass something curled up by a tree stump...shot his as twice as he was entering the whole....damn I hate these snakes...they are everywhere....moth balls snake away lime....all damn kinds...I don't know what kind they are.......I hate like hell to enter the woods after dark....Judge and flashlight first..I've seen these tuckers in trees hit the ground and flat out disappear...can't wait till it get cold....after seeing the one by the tree stump I'm going to assume its a den there, I've seen snake skins near...I gave these snakes a habitat of tree lumber...damn they want use it lol....

 

Very true and I understand the skepticism coming from that source. All I did was a quick google search to find that information about the product because bama is confusing it with antivenom.

Does it work? I already stated I don't know, I'm just going off of my vets recommendation. They said it works and I doubt they're making much money off of it considering how cheap it actually is. In my instance I live where the western diamondback lives and we come across them from time to time considering where I hike with the dog. Even my vet states that a bite needs immediate attention even with the vaccine but at least the dog will survive.

 

Your link doesn't work.

 

Are they poisonous ? Look at the head, viper head ? Thier is such thing as a black snake and they non poisonous and quick as lightning.

 

Before I built my house I lived inna house trailor and I had a couple king snakes that would come and go as they pleased.I never got use to them lol quite a few scares.When I was moving my furniture out of the trailor into my new home , I lifted my TV that was sitting on my dresser and a king snake was lookin me right in the eyes.lol I wound up with a brand new flat screen and it was my first flat screen..They haven't found a way intoy new home so I guess its pretty tight.

 

They like the warmth of a TV , if u ever have one get inside and u lose him , just wait a couple days.He will find your TV or stereo and get underneath it..somethin similar.

 

Not the best pic, but this is the timber I killed in the yard, less than a foot from the path my kid took from the bus .. 20 ga his ass

 

What's it say? Just this:


In 2006 there was a nationwide survey of 720 veterinary hospitals that carried the Rattlesnake Vaccine that showed that about 30% of them had already treated vaccinated dogs for rattlesnake bites. These clinics were asked to rate how well the vaccine worked and give specifics on how vaccinated dogs did as opposed to non-vaccinated dogs who were bitten by rattlesnakes.

Just over 90% of veterinarians and animal hospitals rated the vaccine as working either well or very well. About 5% said that they had mixed results; sometimes the dogs appeared to do much better than would be expected and sometimes the dogs did just as poorly as if they were not protected. About 3% of clinics said that they couldn’t tell if the vaccine made any difference at all. About 2% responded by saying that they wanted to reserve judgment until they had treated more vaccinated dogs for snake bite. So the result is that the vast majority of veterinary hospitals actually treating dogs for snakebite found obvious benefits from the vaccine.
WHAT??

You mean instead of actually giving us a double-blind controlled-test result for this not-FDA approved "vaccine," they are giving us anOPINION SURVEY????

And the opinion survey is of people who PROFITfrom selling the vaccine??

And the opinion survey is of peoplewho might have seen only one or two snake bite cases in their entire career, and who might have no idea of what kind of snake the dog was bit by, and who certainlyhave no idea of how much venom was injected into the dog?

Give me a break!

If this is the best evidence Red Rocks Biologics can trot out in a sales presentation, then they are selling crap.

How hard it is to round up 50 Western Diamondback Rattlesnakes and 50 or 100 rescue Jack Russell terriers, and run an experiment?

How come they haven't done that?

How come they have not reported out the results?

Do you need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind blows?

Caveat emptor!

From what I can see, the only thing Red Rock Biologics guarantees with their vaccine is that you will get a veterinary bill and they will make a profit.

This is a great little business. After all, this "vaccine" is pretty damn expensive -- about $75 retail. If the vaccine is sold for $40 wholesale, and only 1 percent of the administered dogs are bitten by a venomous snake, and a payout is given to only 2 percent of those dogs (that would be a veryhigh number for reasons I will explain in a minute), and that payout is just $400 (dogs are treated as mere property by the courts)..... well, you do the math.

Ka-ching!!

Now think a moment.

That's just for Red Rock Biologics.

The veterinarian administering this stuff is going to do even better.

You see, not only is your dog going to be sold three initial visits, but it's also going to be sold two or three more visits per year, every year. Wooooooeeeee!

But wait, it gets even better.

You see if your dog is ever hit by a rattlesnake, the vaccine will not save you a visit to the veterinarian. So there is no downside for the vet here. As Red Rock Biologics is careful to note:

Snakebite is always an emergency. Even a vaccinated dog should be taken to a veterinarian for evaluation and care as soon as possible following snakebite. Veterinarians can determine if your dog's immunity at the time of the bite is sufficient for the venom dose received or if additional treatment is required. Even bites by non-venomous snakes can lead to serious infections and antibiotic treatment may be needed. A veterinarian is the best person to consult regarding medical decisions for your dog.
Awesome!

Here's a company marketing a medical product for which they present NO scientific evidence of efficacy! Perfect!
And you will notice there is no human analog to this canine vaccine.

Why not?

Well, for one thing a human life is not worth $400.

Run the business model for dog vaccines, but plug in a human life at a mere $400,000 payout, and suddenly you have a very good reason this vaccine has no analog in the human world.

A few more points: The Red Rocks Biologics web site does not explain why their vaccine "works" as often as it does.

Here's a hint: it would work pretty well even if it was rain water.

You see, the joker in the deck is that 25% of all snake bites are "dry" bites with no venom injected at all.

Another 30 percent of all snake bites are injected with such a small amount of venom that, while there may be local pain and swelling in the bite area, there is otherwise no serious problem. Of the remaining 45% of bites, 40% are severe, but only 5% of bites, at most, are actually fatal for the dog. A review of the scientific literature found only a 1% mortality for prairie rattlesnake bites.

And this is with no vaccine at all!

So does this mean you should skip this rattlesnake vaccine? I am not going to advise, other than to point out the obvious: you are paying quite a lot of money for no assured protection from a very rare event.

Does that mean there is nothing to be done about snakes?

No, not at all.

Job One, is to ask a simple question: Does your dog really need to be running around in the desert scrub at all? Most don't. Most dogs are bitten by rattlesnake between March and September, and so we know those dogs are mostly not bird dogs, but family pets.

Job Two is to keep your dog on a leash in rattlesnake country. Even if your dog is vaccinated, you may not know if is bit if it is out running loose, and you are almost certainly not going to know what kind of snake your dog was bit by.

Job Three for desert and mountain dwellers is to teach your dog to be snake averse.

How do you do that?

Simple: be on the lookout for roadkill snakes (any and all) and keep a remote-trigger e-collar or "shock" collar in your vehicle. Let your dog approach the dead snake, but once it gets within a few feet of the snake (NOT closer than a body length), juice it HARD with the shock collar. A little training using "Edison medicine" can save your dog's life. Do this every time the dog approaches a snake (ANY snake), and your dog will quickly learn that snakes are BAD and will treat them like death itself.

 

Man I won't lie...I'm scared of snakes man so when I get the chance I try to kill them....I don't look at them i just try to get rid of them..what bothers me most is when I see the snake , ain't got my peace...and he gets away before I make it back...I've stab a couple with the shovel but they weren't monsters. I try to avoid them at all cost....id rather deal with the neighbors loose manbiter...my dogs with the noise and all have camled them down, but seems like they're moving closer to me....I just keep an eye out,its not uncommon anymore...just creepy at times. Shits a phobia for me..

 

Dude , slow down lol...Leave them non poisonous ones go..Learn to tell the difference.

 

I was hanging a new bag in the bag room at the gym the other day, I walk over by bay door, grab step ladder hang hanger, walk back over & start to use other ladder as a table, & I happen to look down & coiled & ready to strike was a damn 4 foot copper head, my foot about 6 inches away... I yelled to my boy to bring me a snading pole & whacked the thing & it lept, I had to pin in down & break out the Buck & cut its head off... If it hadnt been for a room full of people, Id of ran like a sumbitch

 

I appreciate you posting this and after reading it I feel even more confident in the vaccine. That comes off as a conspiracy theory rant and even that author has no concrete evidence that it doesn't work.
I'll take what 90% of the vets say and what my vet recommends. My vet has a very large practice and I'm sure they treat WD bites frequently because they are all over the place where I live. For $15 my dog will get it every year so I have some peace of mind.

 

[QdE="RobR73, post: 749218, member: 31264"]I appreciate you posting this and after reading it I feel even more confident in the vaccine. That comes off as a conspiracy theory rant and even that author has no concrete evidence that it doesn't work.
I'll take what 90% of the vets say and what my vet recommends. My vet has a very large practice and I'm sure they treat WD bites frequently because they are all over the place where I live. For $15 my dog will get it every year so I have some peace of mind.[/QUOTE]
I dont blame ya there.Its your dogs , your money and your decisions. Hope it works for you and do keep us posted if youhave a ococcurrence.

 

No prob....I doont think it does but to each his own...Im just curious,good luck Rob

 

Damn 90% of what the vets say? lol....the proof is in the pudding....to find out if it works let your dog get bit by a snake intentionally multiple times , if he lives the vaccine works , if he dies you can tell the vet they are full of shit. LMAO

Basically one has to build up a tolerance or immunity so to speak to the venom over time and given in small or tolerable doses. Plus it depends on each and every individual dog or person as everyone is different as some have higher immunity then others and some can just tolerate more and or adapt better.

On a serious note though there are dogs that get bit by snakes and still live even without any vaccine/ antivenom/veterinary treatments as some dogs are just more resilient then others.........if the cost of the vaccine is cheap and there are very little to no short or long term side effects then I say why not as a precaution especially if one lives in a area with a lot of snakes......now if those vaccines have mercury in them then that is worse then the snake venom. LMAO

 

Many vaccines are given in sets or a series. The reason people push the flu vaccine every year is because influenza mutates very rapidly making a different strain that will make the vaccine useless in most cases or ineffective. The flu shot is the 3 most common strains from the previous flu season or a combo of the 3 the CDC feels is going to be seen most frequently in the coming or current flu season. I have to sign a document every year because I refuse it and I work in Healthcare. They will actually fire you for not getting the flu shot without having good reason and documentation of said reason. Like forced vaccinations that that have 3x the amount of mercury in them than the epa will allow in your drinking water and they want to fast route it into you by way of injection. Lmao no thank you. Anyways, a lot of vaccinations are giving multiple times to ensure resistance. I say no thanks and they just make me where a surgical mask when in patient areas. I work in an OR so whipty doo, I already wear one 80% of my day while at work anyways. Lol
Same with the DHLPP shot, it's given in a series.

Good post niko. Especially the one about virus vs venom theory. I like reading shit like that. Lol

 

I have given mine childrens tylonol for other injuries.teaspoon 2-3 timed aday.they slept alot but it seened to help.hit by car.