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APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by JBL, Jan 31, 2014.

  1. Roveros

    Roveros Pup

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Lots of opinions about all of this but in truth no-one knows for sure. My opinion is all performance bred dogs are far less "pure" in origin than fanciful authors would have us believe. Whatever worked was used and bred from. The APBT is a mix of strains that came to the US and at different points other dogs may or may not have been added but even in relatively modern pit reports we see accounts of crosses being used.

    Performance animals were bred for performance and the owners of the day were often illiterate and uneducated. The nuances of a pedigree would of been lost on them but money won on a win would of been treasured. They didn't try to impress anyone on the internet with a great looking pedigree. British pit Dog , American Pit dog, As my friends in Thailand would say.. same same but different
     
  2. bigboi100

    bigboi100 Pup

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    What supplements can i give a 6 month old SBT
     
  3. cms_uk

    cms_uk Pup

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Big boi....dont be in a rush to get your dog into shape, he's still young. Allow the dog to mature naturally before starting any supplements, as with all things if you dont know what your doing you can do more harm than good.

    Build your dogs endurance by hand walking each day, play with a rag with the dog, make everything a game.

    Too many dogs are ruined by inexperienced owners wanting to take the easy route....Look at all Dbol kids who wanted to get huge quickly...there all fat with man boobs now....Dont just take someones word for it, do your own research into nutrition to see what a muscle needs to grow.

    To give you a starting point...A muscle must be worked, then fed afterwards and then allowed to rest. Work, food and rest.

    Good luck mate, give me a pm if you need anymore help.
     
  4. Supernaturalist

    Supernaturalist Big Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Agreed. Instead of supplements, put that money towards good food. Keep him at a good weight and work on training him and bonding with him. He'll be an adult in no time but for now he is just a pup.
     
  5. bluedoglover

    bluedoglover Top Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    hate to talk about a banned user's old comment (truly sorry about this) but it is likely that this is the bull and terrier not the "bull terrier" hints bred. this is obvious going by the fact that they are simply crosses allowed to be shown(?) i suppose.
     
  6. bluedoglover

    bluedoglover Top Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    oh god i'm sorry just realized that there was more of the thread. my pc is kind of glitchy...
     
  7. DogMan85

    DogMan85 Banned

    A name doesn't mean jack. It's likely some Pitdogs of the time were called Staffs that came from near that area but they were the APBT in a different guise.

    Form follows function not the other way around. The Staff as we know it is a showdog down from the Pitdogs (APBT) of old.....
     
  8. Moins

    Moins Pup

    The AKC might of gotten there hand on the Staff bull but APBT came out of the Staff bull
    It's been my view fighting dogs originally out of the cross know as half and Half
    were sized as the Staff bull .
    One can say the size of the Staff bull is not from any odd breeding from known non fighters
    there size was not a recreation after the fact .
    Wile some ask how did the APBT get bigger in size then many of the original fighters
     
  9. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    pit bulls from all parts of the British isles ...Ireland , Scotland , Wales and England, ware took to the USA, these dog became what is now American Pit bull terrier ,,,a group of show people in midlands of England campaigned for the local Pit bull terrier to be recognized by the KC, a handful of names ware suggested , they KC agreed to Staffordshire Bull Terrier in 1935,,, and they became a show dog ... the dogs in the USA ,,,became known as APBT,,,when show people in the USA campaigned to the American KC for their breed to be recognized ,,the following year 1936 they agreed and called the dog Staffordshire Terrier ,,, SBT and APBT came from the same type of dog ,,, in USA they APBT was kept game ,,in England they became a show dog ,,, there is no APBT in SBTs,,,and no SBT in APBT ,,
     
  10. Moins

    Moins Pup

    Pit bulls from all parts of the British isles ...Ireland , Scotland , Wales and England,
    were took to the USA
    Yes this is clear
    So if there is no APBT in SBTs,,,and no SBT in APBT ,,No Overlap
    Staffordshire Terrier And APBT has Overlap

    Since it can be agreed there is an original Pit Bull from which all came
    during 1899 and previous did the people of england just simply call them Pitbulls
    and do you feel the current APBT has kept clarity equal to the original
    England Pit Bull
    from which all came from .

    The size of the SBT always has me curious
    the Staffordshire Terrier And APBT we can all see the connection
    But it seems that there is a never ending debate with the SBT

    About 20 years ago I met a man from Ireland and he was admiring my 2 dogs
    my male was 55 pounds female was 37 pounds
    he took more notice of the female and said she's more like " our " dogs
    Key word more like
    I felt it -
    I did not discuss it -
    but he was talking of the SBT type
    he said the American dogs are to big.
    This must be an age old Battle
     
  11. DogMan85

    DogMan85 Banned

    There's always been large Pit dogs even in the early days. The Americans didn't make them larger or add in other breeds.

    The Staff is a modern off-shoot from the British Pit dogs (APBT)
     
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  12. Moins

    Moins Pup

    I remember during a time I was friends with a Dog man
    1980's he had 16 or so dogs at any time
    a dog I remember was Hollingsworth Bull
    http://redtidekennel.com/studs/hollingsworths-bull/
    this was a Big dog with thick body massive head
    athletic looking But even the controversial bully dog owners would admire
    Hollingsworth Bull (even I can't forget the dog )

    He had a dog Named Cowgirl - No particular notoriety
    Cowgirl was small low to the ground at 30 pounds

    So I guess based on these 2 dogs and that the original Pit bulls of england
    were just as varied due to sport dogs preference was performance

    I guess I finally see the separation of the 3 types of Bulls , & the APBT being the closest to the original
    if not the same continued type
    The SBT deserves respect as it also is of the DNA flow , but a focus on the size &
    I assume many an old day dog fighter liked small dogs .
    some must still be plenty game

    The Staffordshire Terrier is the show version of the APBT
     
  13. DogMan85

    DogMan85 Banned

    Both the Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire are basically show versions of the APBT although there's rumours that other breeds have been added to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier to make them ever more grotesque...
     
  14. DogMan85

    DogMan85 Banned

    That is one good looking Bulldog, I prefer the catchweights tbh....
     
  15. cozzy

    cozzy Pup

    English dogs were tested drawing badgers and american dogs were tested on dogs
     
  16. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    English dogs ware matched up till it was made illegal ...they still did it after it was illegal ..
     
  17. cozzy

    cozzy Pup

    Yes I know, but drawing badgers is why they've got a shorter stockier build and more of a "barnstorming" fighting style where the pitbull is more tactical with more wind, psycho fought a lot more badgers than he did dogs
     
  18. bluedoglover

    bluedoglover Top Dog

    Really? because Psycho won several ofc I've heard as well. And dusty would probably know best. I say the stafford is the closest to original bull and terrier which is why they're so short. Most Irish staffords are really that stocky anyway, Just built differently.
     
  19. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    Americans were, and always have been, opportunists. I would bet a month's pay there were other breeds added after they got to North America. I believe the APBT to be a closer representative of the British pit dogs in function and the English Staff closer genetically.
     
  20. phoenix walk

    phoenix walk Big Dog

    had to smile at this , your telling the man who bred psycho what his own dog did
     
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