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Would you still consider a game dog a 'pitbull' if it had slight admixtures?

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by Pitrulez, Jan 12, 2014.

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What would you consider it?

  1. A Bulldog is a Bulldog... it doesn't matter if it's ped ain't pure

    3 vote(s)
    37.5%
  2. A mutt.

    5 vote(s)
    62.5%
  1. Pitrulez

    Pitrulez Pup

    Let's say in phenotype it definitely looks like any Bulldog, and in behaviour it displays all the traits and is dead game. Let's say this dog is 1/8 Patterdale and 7/8 APBT... Would you still consider it a 'pitbull' or just a mutt with a very rare trait (Dead gameness)?
     
  2. the.peon

    the.peon Top Dog

    If it's truly dead game then it's not going to display any traits.

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  3. Pitrulez

    Pitrulez Pup

    Yh, but would you just consider it a regular Bulldog or would the little tar in its ped be a bother to you at all?
     
  4. young muscle

    young muscle Big Dog

    I wouldn't care how game it was, if it has an 1/8 of any other breed in it I would not
    breed to it period!
     
  5. Mudville_Monsta

    Mudville_Monsta Top Dog

    I'd say mutt with a rare trait. If not then we might as well start calling the Bullies and amstaff's gamedogs also.
     
  6. Pitrulez

    Pitrulez Pup

    I can understand that, but would you see it as different from another Bulldog?
     
  7. therealjudge

    therealjudge CH Dog

    I have seen a game Patterdale before.
     
  8. steinlin

    steinlin Big Dog

    The term Pit Dog...used to mean one thing..pit(fighting) dog(any dog)
    Then with the ban of bull baiting etc, a rise of breeding blood sport dogs, etc for other uses, pit fighting then dog shows(Staffs/Bull Terriers) and these dogs importation to other countries, name usage changed, becoming a myriad of titles dependent on use and country...Pit(fighting)Bull(dog)...then American Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull...etc etc
    If it fought in the pit and held some resemblance to a bulldog, then it was used. Dependent on the people using different animals, the success or failure of a strain was determined when bred, and offspring tried, the outcome would determine whether the breedings would develop into a consistant successful line....
    In my opinion, there were uncountable breedings made from dogs of undetermined origins, that went into main bloodlines of today, because the factors in the development of the breed were based on skill in combat, not phenotype.
    The registries then dog shows changed how we look and reference these dogs today, as popularity and demand increases, the marketing of the animals as purebred demands paperwork and even DNA.
    The dogs that are referenced as gamedogs, usually imply that the dogs are from bloodstock formed from each successive generation having proven its abilities.
    Having said that..if the dog you refer to, has proven itself but died, then you sir, have a dead game, pit(fighting)bull(dog)
    It's only if someone asks to see it's paperwork, does it then become important..
     
  9. afb263

    afb263 Big Dog

    No its a mutt, AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER is a breed now ya know? Its not 1936, if it's crossed it's a mutt. If your reasoning is true gull dongs would be pit bulls too. And i definitely wouldnt' breed to the mutt either, not looking for gameness atleast. Maybe if i wanted some nasty hunters and breed back to a patt. but once its crossed its too far gone away from a bulldog to me.
     
  10. gh32

    gh32 CH Dog

    I would consider it what it was and represent it as such. In this case 1/8 patty and 7/8 APBT. If it shows game then I'd call it game but would also admit it had patterdale in it. If if showed dead game then it doesn't matter,it's worm food.lol
     
  11. young muscle

    young muscle Big Dog

    gh32 would breed to this dog to your stock?
     
  12. bounty

    bounty Big Dog

    If i was into any sport with these dogs.(which i'm not because i'm fat and lazy). I would cross to any breed if i was guaranteed better dogs at that sport. Isn't that what everyone always talks about here. Breed for the betterment of the breed!
    300 years ago pure didn't exist. They just bred to the best of what was available. And to think those old time scally wag breeders didn't try different breeds you have your head in the sand. So basically you are probably breeding mutts now without knowing it.
     
  13. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Damn I wish I could be GUARANTEED everything LOL.

    Like my momma always use to say Life is like a box of chocolates you never know what your gonna get LMAO.

    Terminology's

    1. "APBT", (pitbull) is a classification of a specific breed of dog.

    2. A "Game dog", is a INDIVIDUAL dog that has been deemed/proven game by its owners, regardless of the way its bred. For example it could be a game APBT or a game patterdale, or a game Tosa or a game Shiba inu or a game pitbull/patterdale cross/mix etc... you just add the term "GAME", in front of it.
     
  14. Pitrulez

    Pitrulez Pup

    Fair enough replies. Would you ever breed such a dog though?
     
  15. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    If a bird flew over and shit in your ice cream, would you eat it?
     
  16. shotgun wg

    shotgun wg Big Dog

    What u had was a bulldog cross. Not an APBT. I have a ridgeback pit cross. That is what he is nothing more or less. If ur dog proved dead game u don't have to worry bout breeding it or what someone may call it cause by definition it's dead. If ur dog has proven game and u bred it it is still a bulldog cross. Any of its descendants would be cross as well. Would I look at the dog any different. No because if it does its job it's a dog. If it doesn't do its job then it's a cull. Now if u told me it was an APBT that was game then turned around and said it was a 1/8 patt. I would be done talking to u and would consider u a liar.


    Shotgun
    Arkansas
     
  17. afb263

    afb263 Big Dog

    lol,I like my ice cream pure.
     
  18. gh32

    gh32 CH Dog

    I haven't seen a need to do that cross,lmao but I could see if someone just run across a dog that showed good and wanted a working dog to use. But no I have no intentions of crossing out my stock to other breeds.

    lol

    Very good answer.
     
  19. XLR8

    XLR8 Big Dog

    As a breeding dog, such a cross would be useless due to the variables thrown in by the Patterdale blood. From the perspective of a person who uses a match to test breeding stock for suitability I wouldn't bother with it. Only use for such a dog I see is if you knew it was good and just wanted to see it win, for whatever reason.
     
  20. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Saiy u got that life is like a box of chocolates, from the Movie FOREST GUMP !!! LMFAO..........
     

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