Conformation standards and breeding into the future

That depends on what flaws you are speaking of some faults per the adba standard may disqualify your hound from placing in a show ring but could help a performance dog in the box. If you are breeding performance animals gameness needs to be top priority as this trait is what makes these dogs sacrifice gameness for conformation and see how that works out for you. Most athletes are balanced but the difference with performance breeders is they are not going to cull dogs based on ugly conformation or less than perfect structure.

 

If there are flaws in conformation that would contribute to the success of a dog in the box, I'd like to know what that might be so that I can look or it?

 

Some people just want to disagree just to disagree, if you want to breed for conformation the there is a paper or book to go by if you want to breed for performance the get off the couch and put you hound in performance type events and let the best performers be bred its as simple as that...

 

I suppose in a perfect world, a breeder would only use dogs with the best of both performance AND conformation. However, you're not going to find a performance breeder willing to cull a top-notch performer due to an easty-westy front end assembly or splayed toes. That's just the way the cookie crumbles.

 

My biggest gripe with the conformation standard is that it doesn't describe some body types that r sound and have proven to be to work really well. For example Zebo, Plumbers ch alligator, Giroux Booger, Mayday, Macho Buck, Colbys Pincher and Bobtail Bob etc...

 

Seems to me most show winning dogs look like Bolio, which is great but not the only look that hunts...

 

There have been plenty of bad tempered dogs that were game and through gameness in their offspring.

 

Didn't say there weren't...

 

My bolio dogs clean up in the adba shows lol

 

I bet, Bolio and his descendants was/are sharp lookin dogs I love the front end on em.

 

re-read your post genius

 

You need to reread my post...genius

 

You could have addressed ur misunderstanding of what i wrote in a more respectful way than that.

 

In the varius working breeds in the world there FUNKTION has detirminds there confermation. If we look at greyhounds THEY umongst a natural preditor like the cheeta resamble a simulair confermation frame, ..

The apbt is not that mutch diferend. being more durable.
The adba standard has been created to maximize a dogs body to perform. Is it perfect no but its very close.

Some very importend features are a deep chest!.
This means that the gut organs lay low in the chest making MORE room on top of them underneeth the spine to be able to grow larger lungs!!!.
A long straight back and loin gives ""like a greyhound and cheeta ore any prettor mamal in the wild(with the ecseption of a hyena who have a massif solid frond end but are very weak in the rear) more leverichs and pushing power and speed .Giving the lungs more room in to divelop lenght wize. less stop inbetween the muzle and scull gives a lesser oxgen intake restriktion when in hold and beathing tru there nose!!!. having there lungs work less hard to suck in air in!!.
a muzle that is to long teoreticly has less biting power then a shorter muzle, hens the best lenght is 3/4 the lenght of the scull.

Standing straight on there legs and have cat like feet give them more balanse and grip, same gose for the chest witch it is supost to be as wide as the shoulders are high!. when smaller they are more prone to be flipt over and off there feet!!.

standing tall on there legs and having a longer body makes them able to make one step against 1 1/2 ore 2 then there shorter stockier barrel chested shorter musle build up uponend ,
Who due to his shortcoming in his confermastion is ofthen stronger from the start due to the lower set in gravety to weight ratio and shorter muscles, BUT uses up MUTCH more energy. and is mutch les agile

when all things like gameness and mouth and stile would be eaqual, Then the dog with the better confermation standerd will always win.. as we cant change the laws of fisics!!. We all know that everyting being equal thussend happen ofthen .
As fisical input from a eurly age is needed to be able to have a good confermation dog to be able to divelop big lungs work load ecetera.

same gose for a dog that has a more limited genetic makeup in the confermation he is born with.
Becuase when he is getting al this input, and the better confermation dog is not getting it then things can EVEN up.

Nevertheless confermation can and IS very importend, when you look at the all peurpose breed like the apbt..
some of the top breeders like to see a dog to be as tall and long as posible for any given weight .
They are not fools they know what makes a dog tick . disreguarding confermation as irelevant ore not as importend as a breeder, woned make you a good breeder in the long run.
its mutch more difeculd to breed game dogs with mouth and durabilety AND great confermation then leaving the confermation part aside.
And lets be hounest a good looking confermation dog is stunning to look at. I sure as hell can be very impressed looking at a great specimen that fisickly shows al the tools needed to perform....Knowing that iven with a lack of gameness his body can bring him along way.
We only have to look at some boxers ore K1 fighters You KNOW there caracter ore gameness is far less then many of there uponends yet there build/ confermation makes them able to beat many a fighter that has mutch more gameness...

 

Very good post as usual Limey!

 

This is also the way I look at it. All other variables held the same, a dog with better conformation has an advantage. But without testing, you could end up with dogs that have nice conformation but that lack drive, gameness and even health. An example of this is the phenomenon of heart problems is some lines of Amstaffs.

 

Well in 20 years around dogs I can tell you I've never gave a shit bout confirmation.... Don't even know the breed standard, I was raised up and taught to judge em by something else.... That bein said... If you take a show ring champion and a dog that has jus been bred by other standards and the dog with less confirmation stops the show ring champion... Who is more the representative of the breed....

 

This is what it all comes down to

 

In your hypothetical situtation above who is to say the conformation CH wouldnt be a dog like GR CH Buck...

In reality even if you dont belong to a local club or participate in ADBA Conformation shows you should at the very least contact your local club to help support them in anyway that you can. Without the organizations like the ADBA, AADR, etc.. and "show people", you wouldn't have anyone fighting for your rights as an APBT owner and would have no real reason in the "eyes of your local government" to keep these dogs. Point is support your local clubs ADBA, AADR, & the EBA with either your time or money!