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The Staffordshire must remain a multi-purpose dog

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by bulldogkennel, Aug 6, 2012.

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  1. bulldogkennel

    bulldogkennel Banned

    To become IKC CH a Old Time Staffordshire must pass the endurance test in trot (10 km) and the TAG. These are tests that every person can do with their dogs, even you Joe. There is no title for the beauty contest.

    For the ROM every dog must have a certain number of descendants who pass the TAG, the endurance test or who become IKC CH. Nothing that is strange or is secret.

    The problem is that in Italy very few breeders want to bring their own Staff to the TAG test because few dogs pass it ... and no one likes to see their dog crying or "close" in front of a direct threat.
     
  2. Joe Black

    Joe Black Banned

    since you took the time to mention me, al i can say is 10km (6,21mls) is not an endurance test.
     
  3. BmSBT

    BmSBT Big Dog

    i have to agree with this. 10k is a sunny afternoon run. i'd do that a few times a week with the dog and she barely breaks a sweat... unlike me, im usually crying at the end of it :D
     
  4. bulldogkennel

    bulldogkennel Banned

    Hello the IKC has two different endurance tests, one of 10 km and one of 20 km. Obviously he is not a test that is made by walking, but leading the dog with bicycle at a continued fast trot.

    For you, these tests are stupid but there are very few SBT involved in these two tests and no one Italian breeder of Show stafford has ever presented is dogs to our test.

    They too say they have dogs that run 100 km just for play, but officially no one has involved is dogs a the IKC endurance test.

    I would also say that 10 & 20 km of continued fast trot is a good test to see the dog's breathing, heart health and the health of tendons and ligaments.
     
  5. Nogz

    Nogz Pup

    Can you tell us more about this TAG test? Does the FAG test bite back?
     
  6. Nogz

    Nogz Pup

    Just to clear up you mind ;)
    They aren't gamebred either.

    Source: http://www.game-dog.com/showthread.php?t=58577&p=657881&highlight=#post657881
     
  7. trampus

    trampus Banned

    Im going to breed my own staffords just to swim in water..aqua bull dogs is this new breed ...I think they are game because they are not scared of water... is this Bulldogkennels nuts
     
  8. bulldogkennel

    bulldogkennel Banned

    Now you get into an issue that could be endless: game bred dogs are known to be raised for a job that requires toughness and determination. Now the question on everyone here debating is whether the game is just the "dog against dog" or if it can be understood in any type of work historically performed by our bulldogs. Now to me, as for many other dogmen, the game can be either specialized or absolute. Specializing because there are some bulldog who only work in certain "jobs" but are cold to others, and absolute because there are bulldog who work on everything (dogs, animals and people) always giving their best in every test.

    Now my staffordshire come from a line used for hunting badger, boar and also for personal protection at a high level. In their work were tested for the "game" (therefore to see if the dog in the extremity of his endurance of pain and her fatigue, stops or continues its work by spreading more times) and the best subjects have proved 100% reliable despite the hardness of the performance required. Now if for some the game is just see "dog against dog" it's their problem and their own personal idea ... not mine.

    So answering the question I can tell you that my bulldogs are a from game breed bloodline.

    The Tag is a test created 20 years ago by the greatest trainer of dogs for self-defense: Maurizio Ceracchi. Maurizio has seen that the Bulldog's that pass the TAG were also very tough and determined in working wild boar and buffalo, which for over 15 years he has personally tested on its Staffordshire.

    We too have experienced this correlation between this test (created for real personal defense dogs) and the hunting and fighting with large and small animals. I think the this test was done on at least 2000 subjects of various bulldog's breeds, and this test have reliable result in 99% of the cases. To me this is more than enough to select hard, insensitive to pain and combative dogs in all circumstances.

    Now describe the test is very complicated both because my English is not good, and either because you must see "live" to understand it.
     
  9. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    The only thing is ...SBT at one time ware bred for a purpose as like APBTs they ware a fighting dog (before they ware ruined by show people and the KC)... there was only one standard = gameness for the pit.... now this TAG test will not test a dog for gameness, I bet one of my Dutch Herders would pass this TAG test...as would many breeds..,,,,.very few breeds, almost none would pass the test that made SBT what they ware...
     
  10. bulldogkennel

    bulldogkennel Banned

    Hello RickyB I respect you as a breeder and historian of the old Staffordshire to "discuss" with you. What you say about TAG is true about the game, something that I have written before, but there are many inaccuracies on the rest. The TAG test is very selective and can pass it's only the bulldog breed's of good quality. About 70% of the pit (ADBA & UKC), SBT, BT, Dogo, Presa Canario, etc., do not pass the test. Approximately 99.9% of other breeds do not pass the test.

    Best Regards
     
  11. BmSBT

    BmSBT Big Dog

    whats involved in the TAG test?
     
  12. bulldogkennel

    bulldogkennel Banned

    The TAG is done privately and are present only the owner of the dog, the trial judge and an Assistant who must make the physical pressure on the dog.
     
  13. joe rock

    joe rock Pup

    Read most of the posts and , it starts to bore me, same old shit Game not game ? and what people class for Gameness ( 1 man's meat ,another man's poison ) this Gameness argument comes around on every F**kin post or topic no matter what the subject ! ,
    Bulldogkennels ! you seem to be the only person who knows what this TAG test is , so we can't give are own views on it ! so let us know what this Tag Test is ? Maybe it is the dogs bollocks ! but I suppose it won't be as brutal and as testing as a couple of hrs in the pit ? ( thats 1 of the reasons it's illegal and banned ! ) as this Tag Test is all official and keeps the law and courts of your back .
    LET US ALL know what this TEST CONSIST OF , it might be a good training test we could learn info , and knowledge from ! It Might even stop all this Game not Game argument shit , so thats 1 good thing .
     
  14. joe rock

    joe rock Pup

    Missed your last post Bulldogkennels , So is this Tag Test a top secret or can any owner say what his dog was put through , to pass this test ? or is this a NO NO ? that might get this test banned like dog fighting has ?
     
  15. jacko

    jacko CH Dog

    why all the secrecy ? does this test involve cruelty toward the dog from the assistant ? can you put a vid up of a past test so we can see it? sounds a bit heath robinson to me.....
     
  16. Fly

    Fly Pup

    TAG does it stand for They Ain't Game?
     
  17. Oxstaf

    Oxstaf Big Dog

    ha very good ..
     
  18. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Lmao

    Some of you people really need to stop posting your found definitions of game...lol... the word game in the apbt world means one thing and one thing only so stop posting your text book dictionary definitions of game. Game has many definitions, this is true, however IT ONLY MEANS ONE THING IN REGARD TO THESE DOGS AND IS SOLELY USED TO DEFINE A BOX DOG THAT DOSENT QUIT! How hard is this shit for you people to understand? Talk about being dense. How many times do people need to explain what the word GAME means when used to describe apbt's? To Test the mettle of a dog for 4 to 5 minutes is a fuckin joke buddy, if it were legal id look at a 15 month old pups longer than that. I've seen many breeds unleash hell on another dog for up to 5 minutes then high tail it on the 6th minute. I guess I just don't get the point of the TAG. Seems pointless to me other than to slap fake titles on dogs.... jm2c

    Just please stop using the word game as most wouldn't know it if they were bit in the ass by a Gamedog.
     
  19. It probably is, at least till now it is also top secret
     
  20. Oxstaf

    Oxstaf Big Dog

    see the problem bulldogkennel dogmen like agk find what you are saying as i said very insulting and will get there back up big time ,cool you enjoy what you do with your dogs but please dont compare ...
     
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