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Heatstoke during a keep?

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by AGK, Apr 9, 2012.

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  1. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Have a hypothetical question for those who have had this happen,


    Ok, say your 4 weeks into a keep and while working your dog heatstroke hits them, their legs lock up, they collapse. You cool them down immediately and put the dog away in a crate for the rest of the day while keeping a close eye on them. The next day, they seem to be normal and willing to work.

    Do you pay the forfeit or give the dog a 2 or 3 day break then continue the keep?

    Keep in mind the heatstroke was noticed early and treated quickly only taking the dog around a half hour to come back around and the dog isn't showing any issues due to the events after 4 hours ( I.e. running around, eating and drinking normally as well as acting normal mentally.)
     
  2. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    why in the hell would anyone work a dog till they suffer a heatstroke????????????????
     
  3. crimsonghost

    crimsonghost Top Dog

    It wasn't noticed early, if his legs locked up and he collapsed. Not trying to be a dick at all. But if your 4 weeks in. You should know the way your dog works. You should have been able to tell when he broke stride. I don't mean he slowed down or anything but he most likely stumbled a couple times.
     
  4. NGK

    NGK Top Dog

    Pay up.

    NGK
     
  5. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    It theoretically was only 20 minutes into working and didn't realize it was 88 degrees with about 80% humidity out.
     
  6. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    the first rule of conditioning is you have to condition the RIGHT dog. meaning a good one.

    the second rule of conditioning is you have to be smarter than the dog.

    most people with bulldogs that fancy themselves dogmen fail at both the above rules. they and their mutts are fuck#d from the get go.
     
  7. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    He didn't break stride at all. Was working well then out of no where locked up. This wasn't on a mill but an inclined nice paced trot. Was just ending warming him up. Collapsed about a city block before being back home. It was only about a mile trot in a Mostly shaded cemetery. Done this walk hundreds of time in hotter weather but he was pulling hard the whole time.
     
  8. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Kind of thought so too just to be safe but wanted some more experienced conditioners opinions. Again this is all just hypothetical. Thanks.
     
  9. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I'm sure you right ;)
     
  10. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    one thing i've seen over and over is a fool with a dog thinking he's doing the dog a favor by 'working' it. usually this fool played some kind of sport in his younger days so naturally he knows EVERYTHING about shaping a dog. these fools work their dogs like they are the coach and the dog is the 'player' work! work! work! no pain no gain! 2 a days, pull weights, walk 10 miles, run on the mill till you drop, the MORE work the better.
    after a few days you got a sore dog.
    after a few weeks you got a sore tired dog.
    after a month you got a shell of an animal.
    see where this is going?????
     
  11. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member


    seriously, the line between good work you can build on, a foundation that lets you advance with every workout and overwork is a fine line. when you cross it you hurt the dog and that takes time for the dog to recuperate. i'd give the dog in question at least a week off with nothing more than handwalking at night.
    i NEVER worked a dog in the heat of the day.
     
  12. crimsonghost

    crimsonghost Top Dog

    This question is kinda stupid. Heat stroke doesn't just happen all the sudden. If your dog gets heat stroke in 88 degrees and only a mile walk. Then your working the wrong dog. I mean 88 with 80%humidity is like a spring day here, or if were lucky a summer night. But maybe it depends on what your dogs are use to?
     
  13. popow

    popow Pup

    I dont hunt in summer. Too damn hot in the south.Love to let them swim
     
  14. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    there might be more to this than heatstroke. maybe bloodwork needs to be done.
     
  15. popow

    popow Pup

    benthere, I think your right. Good idea to have blood work done before any keep.
     
  16. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I agree it shouldn't of happened. Never did before, has never happened again. he was balls to the wall the whole walk though wanting all the squirrels in the area. It didn't look like a siezure or anything else. He just stumbled like he was drunk then down he went. From stumble to down was no more than 30 seconds apart.
     
  17. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Ive walk him in worse heat and a lot further than a mile regularly and have never had that happen before. I think he was over exerting himself due to all the wildlife around.
     
  18. scratchin dog

    scratchin dog CH Dog

    Was he wearing a collar or a harness? If it was a collar he may have choked himself out by cutting off his air supply. Had that happen to my pup Gaston at a dog show when he was only 4 months old. I was walking him out for the judge and he had his head down pulling. It was a hot day and it sure looked like heat exhaustion. One minute he was fine and the next he stumbled and went down. That sounds like what happened to your dog.

    If he was wearing a harness and his airway was not restricted, then for sure I would pay the forfeit and have a vet check him out. Hypothetically speaking of course.

    Here in the north we have had a crazy winter with warm days and then going back to cold days/nights so the dogs are not used to the heat. Still, I would never condition a dog where the temp was almost 90ยบ with high humidity. I only condition in the cool mornings or late in the evening when the temps go down.
     
  19. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    When in doubt, pay the money. I would get some professional advice as to whether it was an actual heat stroke or some other kind of heat related issue. An actual heat stroke would have lingering effects over time. I would be it is some other health related issue that was drawn out with hard work and exercise. If that is so, then you would more than likely have lost him on show date. Get him checked out with a complete blood work up and I think you will find some sort of blood/heart related issue rather than an actual heat stroke.
    Good luck.
     
  20. Tiger12490

    Tiger12490 Big Dog

    Mhmm agreed

    Tapd on my skyrocket using 2.0 beta 5
     
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