Can A Cur Dog Be A Game Dog?

Mine too. Thanks Ground Up for your insight.

 

Think i get ya.

So a game dog would be one that hunted till he had nothing left to give, i.e till he exhausted himself.

A deep game dog would be one that hunted till he exhausted himself and had to endure a bad injury on the hunt.

And a dead game dog would be one that hunted till he dropped dead.

That's what you mean by degrees of gameness and some being considered more game than others?

 

Degrees of gameness I dont know but seems like every single person on here has a so called game dog that wont never quit. Wish I had me one of those.

 

the refence to "once they become game" implied that jus cause ur game bred doesnt mean u will be, until you have passed the test.
hince the word once.

 

Remember that a big part of how far a dog will go depends on its bond with its handler. Some dogs will click with on owner and do exceptionally well but when in the hands of another who it doesnt fill comfortable with will quit-theres so many varibales in a dogs gameness and this hasnt been mentioned yet. Basically what I'm saying is......half of a good dog is having a good handler the dog will work for!

 

I'd also like to make one ( I think Valid ) point. Gameness can not be measured on a dog that's always on top . IMO you never know how game one is until he finds himself in trouble and shows how he reacts to the situation. If he always has smooth sailing then he never had his will to win truly tested.

 

Thats not true, I agree, most will quit , as their are more dogs that are not game ,then their are game, However, a dog that is "Truly" game, will NOT quite, Reguardless of the circumstances..............

 

to me there is no varying degrees of gameness either the dog is game or it is not and a non game dog should most defenitley be culled from your breeding program if u breed dogs.no sense putting non game dogs together with game dogs even though once in a while they will produce some game pups.

 

I agree, it's not gameness that theirs differant degrees of..........

 

Gameness is a saying that started with the puppy peddlers. No such thing in my eyes u gotta stop them before they stop u, and thats where condition comes in. Although there are some that stick with it regardless of the weather.

 

YAWN Oh well some people never learn I guess they have to learn the hard way hehehehehe

 

What are you talking about, gameness was the main stay of this breed before people started selling pups! Gameness was the name of the game before anyone knew how any dog was bred, let alone buy a puppy.

 

But was it called gameness? Look at the first dogs from ireland and they dont talk about gameness.

 

but not all dogs had the ability to take a whipping and what do u call that

 

you can say that again, Lmao, if they will all quit, then none are game, this is what your saying , their all curs ? .........a game dog will not quit........reguardless...and if they do quit, what does that make them ? hehehehehe

 

Well a dog that seemed game and went over 3 hrs quit in 12 when his opponent didnt suck his ear (actually quit in 6 but handled at 12). So where did his gameness go? Explain that?

 

jmo...but people saying their dog is kinda game or was a lil game,,,is just makin excuses for what his dog lacks. if the dog is a cur, it's a cur. to me anyway.the next time you hear of somebody d=say their dog was "game, or kinda game", ask the OTHER person about how game the dog was. the truth will be there. if a dog backs out, it simply lacks the conviction and determination to be the real deal. just my idea of the dogs. not meaning the dog is useless. just NOT game

 

i seriously hope you're not talking about my post.....if you are, read it again,,because you missed the poiont. if your not talkin to me....cool. ai was referring to a non-reacting dog, or a no scratch. not a lengthy dog...........

 

The last time I got involved in such a discussion on this forum, a couple of you tried to eat me alive. Eh, Tex? Fifty? lol. I'll take my chances once again.

First off, many of the "old timers" bred dogs simply to win. Gameness wasn't the be all, end all to everything. If a dog could ravage the competition in 20 or 30 minutes, it didn't have to be deep game. Deep gameness isn't going to help a dog much if it's flopping across the carpet like a fish within a half hour. I've learned over the years that gameness, by itself, is overrated. *holds up shield to protect against flying stones* Suppose a dog can take punishment like it's on super-crack, but has no wind? Eventually the dog is going to quit simply because it can't breathe any longer. Most of us are familiar with the physical effects of oxygen deprivation, yet many will mistake shear exhaustion for a lack of gameness. Historically speaking, it wasn't exactly uncommon for some to double-dog an unconditioned prospect for an hour or so, then be quick to call it a cur when it was physically just unable to go anymore, no matter how mentally determined it was to continue.
Suppose a dog is game as hell but dumb as rocks? Will scratch into a semi after it's just been hit by three other cars. Gameness isn't going to help a dog much if it doesn't know how to win.
How about a dog that is deep game, but possesses neither ability, nor durability? There have been many a game loser who just was never good enough to win to begin with...no matter how badly they wanted to.
It's easy for someone to say "I'd rather have a game loser than a hard-mouthed winner that will quit after an hour, but realistically speaking, if you happen to have five or ten thousand on the line, you'd be a fool for not wanting the winner.
I'd have to say that it was much more preferable to have a dog that could win in 20 or 30, than to have one that took two hours to do the same thing.

Now before you all decide to come gunning for me (Tex, Fifty), let me make clear that I'm not attempting to undermine the importance of gameness. Not at all. More often than not, it is gameness that is the deciding factor in a contest. Gameness is an essential element of my own breeding program...but so is intelligence...and ability...and wind...and durability... A warrior on the battlefield must have skill and intelligence in addition to the will to fight, in order to be successful.
Of course there are varying degrees of gameness. But in the end, a dog need only be game enough to win, be it 20 minutes or 200.

 

Reply to CHAnimal

my first thought is, he ran into a Real dog, not saying the other one was'nt, just my first thought....odviously, he did'nt like what was happening, fine as long as , either he was'nt getting hurt or was on top, or ? I can't answer that, only you would have to answer that one.........odviously, he was'nt game because he did quit, a cur will quit under the right circumstances, a game dog does not quit under Any.......a dog as you know has to Really be pushed to certain limits to know if their game.....you can still have a Great Match dog, just might not be game, if thats the case, hopefully you Really know your dog and when and what might make him bail ........this is only my opinion, my post was actually only replying to Saiyagin, as we have already had this discussion and I believe his post was directed to me......I have been know to get his blood pressure up abit.....