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tom garner

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Big Dawg, Dec 19, 2010.

  1. CHUVALOFAN

    CHUVALOFAN Top Dog

    Naus that post you made with Garner on DNA testing was a very interesting read.

    Garners reason for leaving ADBA

    Most of you know that I am a very high profile breeder who is a target of ongoing investigations, federal and otherwise. About one year ago, my lawyer learned through an investigator we hired that the government had been able to determine through contact with the ADBA the exact number of pups I have produced and sold during the past ten years. Armed with this information, the IRS is now auditing me, and heaven knows when it might evolve into a criminal investigation.

    Further, my investigator tells us that there is an ongoing attempt to link fighting dogs, particularly champions, recognized in the SDJ and other magazines to their breeders. Breeding a fighting dog makes you a felon just like fighting that dog does. The information provided to me indicates that at least one person at the ADBA has been cooperating with the government in this regard. The government has highly accurate and specific information about my breeding activities that could not be obtained from any other source.

    When this information came my way, I made the only decision that anybody with any nutsack would make. I made a decision to stop doing business with the ADBA. Why would I feed the dog that bites me? I could have done the comfortable thing and continued to follow the easy path, but that's what a cur does.
    In order to save face when I took my business elsewhere, the ADBA suggested that they had stopped doing business with me because I wouldn't send in DNA. This is complete bullshit. I had stopped doing business with the ADBA for six weeks when they came up with this idea. Sending in DNA would have been the final nail in the coffin. If the government had DNA on my Frisco dog, they could use it every time they bust anyone with a dog off Frisco to prove Frisco is the sire and then charge me with selling dogs to dogfighters. With today's intent laws, a DNA link from my stud to a busted dogfighter's dog would be fatal, irrefutable evidence.

    Do you people not understand this? Why in hell would you want to do business with an organization that will sell you out? When you register a dog with the ADBA, any government organization that wants to persecute you will have your name, address, and the number of dogs you own. They will know where you bank and your account number if you pay with a check. If you register a litter of pups, your name goes in the "breeder of fighting dogs" file.
    The truth is that the only dogs that the ADBA has targeted in their coverup story is Frisco dogs born after January, 2001. Technically, any of you people that can't hear what I am saying can register any other of my dogs with the ADBA. However, if I know beforehand that you intend to put my name in their files, I won't do business with you
     
  2. CajunBoulette

    CajunBoulette CH Dog

    Yeah I stopped stealing with adba when it came out about them providing names and addresses to humane groups. Don't know the whole backstory on the above post but it does seem to make sense in my mind

    Sent from my 306SH using Tapatalk
     
  3. CHUVALOFAN

    CHUVALOFAN Top Dog

    It makes sense to me too. My foundation dogs were all adba reg but everything I did after I did not register, no need. As you know I am dog less now but when I do start over I will not have a paper trail at all.
     
  4. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    I'm going to start taking some dogs to the adba shows and I'll have to register those dogs. I won't if the dog isn't going to a show though.
     
  5. patjr

    patjr Top Dog

    Nowadays, it's moreso the 'electronic trail' that one leaves behind which should be of most concern.... (your computer KNOWS YOU far more than any registry ever cared or wanted to know...lol)
     
  6. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Ding ding ding
     
  7. CHUVALOFAN

    CHUVALOFAN Top Dog

    Ummm I swear all that fat chick porn was on the computer when I got it :(
     
  8. patjr

    patjr Top Dog

    Hmmm....oh well that's not your fault, you'll just have to grin and bare it...lol.
     
  9. Mudville_Monsta

    Mudville_Monsta Top Dog

    Man I dig your style.....you crack me up....lol
     
  10. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    You don't even need to register the dog unless you're wanting to dive full into the show circuit. You can either show in fun classes or show the dog under the name of some other dog you have adba paperwork on already.
     
  11. CHUVALOFAN

    CHUVALOFAN Top Dog

    Thanks pal, I have had dealings with some of you Cali fellas and they were men of their word and honest to deal with.
     
  12. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member


    Good looking, Naus. I didn't know that. I figured it'd be pretty dog specific.
     
  13. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    Nah nobody is gonna know man. Especially if you're not a big threat in the show dog scene. Nobody cares about the amateurs out there.
     
  14. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    Good deal, appreciate that.
     
  15. DWBK

    DWBK Pup

    Fake Gr.Ch. ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [407270] :: GLOBAL TAKEOVER'S CEASER 1xW/1xL

    Was originally registered as an offspring of Bolo with the SDR ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [395624] :: <FONT COLOR=BLUE>CH GARNER'S BOBBY PERU (3XW)</FONT>

    Fake Ch ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [502834] :: GARNER'S AND BURGHARD'S ADOLF 1xW On the phone or via e-mail Garner is claiming him to be a ch when in fact he has had one W

    Fake Ch ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [200145] :: GARNER'S HICKSON (RICKSON) Years back Tom garner himself told my brother and I to our faces while standing over Rickson that he was a Ch, he was untouched

    Fake Ch ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [294938] :: GARNER'S OTTO (3XW) in reality a 2xW 1xGL

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [10633] :: GARNER'S ELMO 1XW Was never awarded B.I.S.

    Actual sire ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [95781] :: 3RD STRIKE'S RUSTY of ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [73696] :: GARNER'S AND ARMAND'S BOLO and ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [261716] :: GARNER'S DYNOMITE

    Ask Fat Bill who the dame of ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [48815] :: GARNER'S EL NEGRO (3XW) really is

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [448645] :: GARNERS RALPH Was used as stud for many breedings Garner made listed from other studs on his yard.
     
  16. Kostas81

    Kostas81 Big Dog

    that was intense...!
     
  17. bluedoglover

    bluedoglover Top Dog

    hmm. well as for being on the web without being watched, look up for onion web browser. i was in a web design class and we used it once. i recommend it.
     
  18. CajunBoulette

    CajunBoulette CH Dog

    Yes onion is what you want, they have a mobile browser as well

    Sent from my 306SH using Tapatalk
     
  19. bluedoglover

    bluedoglover Top Dog

    yeah. and if you register your dogs anywhere, i think the sporting dog registry may be best. but i'd have no clue.
     
  20. CHUVALOFAN

    CHUVALOFAN Top Dog

    ...here we go again...
     

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