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tom garner

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Big Dawg, Dec 19, 2010.

  1. Christy

    Christy Big Dog

    O lawd....tip toes out really slow:eek:
     
  2. lol i see that there is no use to talk about anything in this site. ppl are to sensitive.
     
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  3. ngomalungundu

    ngomalungundu Big Dog

  4. ccourtcleve

    ccourtcleve Big Dog

    Are you saying you already have owned "bad ass" dogs, but you aren't interested in them because they did not have papers? So you would like to go purchase a dog from Tom Garner so you can have "bad ass" dogs that also have paperwork?

    If the dogs you had previously were "bad ass" why not get more of those? :confused:

    Are you saying dogs with papers are easier to sell and dogs with papers have better blood?

    Just curious :D
     
  5. No people around here will lie. They dont even know what they got half the time. I had a termite dog one time and she was stolen. I had a jeep and buck dog. Her grandfather was weird jacks.
     
  6. Good dogs are where you find them. There will be duds and good ones from any bloodline. Just because you get a dog from x, y, or z bloodline doesn't mean it is going to be a good one, it could turn out to be the biggest shit eater you ever laid eyes on.
     
  7. FrankDublin

    FrankDublin CH Dog

    You want bad ass dogs then get a bully

    You want a good ass dog get a poodle
     
  8. chaser71

    chaser71 Banned

     
  9. kera5

    kera5 Big Dog

    No,back then he had what was working,and in that time frame people wanted the stuff that clicked,and still do.so can't call him a peddler,he don't force people to buy,or con.so if anything call him a legend,one of the real dogman that made this fine breed what it is today:D
     
  10. kane85

    kane85 Top Dog

    The mexicans do now move along
     
  11. Caos

    Caos CH Dog

    leave the old man alone once again Tom Garner never fight a dog in all his life and he don't have nothing with dogfighting I think somebody could cause some serious problems to him with all that kind of conversation.
     
  12. Mako

    Mako Pup

    If I was to get a garner dog from the current litters, I'd probally get one of these-
    Little Frank x Little Fran Pups
    Its haystack x miss bisquit, not sure why it says little frank x little Fran.
     
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  13. These are "workin dogs!" If they dont "work' properly then it doesnt matter what their papers say.A dog cant read!If your a "purist."Someone who is solely concerned with preserving the gamedog in its purest form,then papers are not the important factor.That person would not be concerned with fame or fortune.I know several dogmen who have never registered a dog but have stacks of hand written peds.They're not conerned with putting their dogs into "mainstream" society.They keep the dogs pure and away from any ol' person who wants one for the wrong purposes.Which is usually for their own egotistical purposes.Check your motives.Stay true to the dogs.Its the only way they will survive. FRIEND
     
  14. garywhite

    garywhite Pup

    Xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx
     
  15. DWBK

    DWBK Pup

    So today for the first time in whats been a long while I took a visit to Tom Garners website.

    Now I'll say this right here and now and that is that this ain't no hatin on Tom thread, no sir but I will be writing my thought's on it .

    Tell you now that if Mr. Garner were to get out of dogs tomorrow he'd find work as a writer, writing them Harlequin romance novels. Lord almighty he can write them dogs up somethin special.

    By God he got that Kemo dog of his already billed as the best producer of all time and that Ceasar prettier then one of them magnum P.I. cars. Hell he even got himself impressed with how that A.I. Redboy plays in his kennel.

    $1200 -$1500 a pop with 14 litters on the ground means you ladies will just have to wait on the great Garner romance novel.

    In closing I'll say this. If I were just lookin for a family pet with a 'pit bull' I'd get a rescue Pit from the pound. No need to be spendin that kind of money on a dog that will be polishin' his nuts on your sofa.

    YIS
     
  16. DWBK

    DWBK Pup

    Hangin' With Tom

    So today for the first time in whats been a long while I took a visit to Tom Garners website.

    Now I'll say this right here and now and that is that this ain't no hatin on Tom thread, no sir but I will be writing my thought's on it .

    Tell you now that if Mr. Garner were to get out of dogs tomorrow he'd find work as a writer, writing them Harlequin romance novels. Lord almighty he can write them dogs up somethin special.

    By God he got that Kemo dog of his already billed as the best producer of all time and that Ceasar prettier then one of them magnum P.I. cars. Hell he even got himself impressed with how that A.I. Redboy plays in his kennel.

    $1200 -$1500 a pop with 14 litters on the ground means you ladies will just have to wait on the great Garner romance novel.

    In closing I'll say this. If I were just lookin for a family pet with a 'pit bull' I'd get a rescue Pit from the pound. No need to be spendin that kind of money on a dog that will be polishin' his nuts on your sofa.
     
  17. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Re: Hangin' With Tom

    No matter how it is worded in the original post, it will always turn into a bashing and hating thread. Just works that way.


    There is only one reason and one reason only the puppies are $1200 or better. The 14 litters before the 14 you saw were all sold for $1000. Basic economics. Supply and demand. Mostly customer demand. And when these 14 litters consistently sell for $1200, guess what? The next 14 litters might be $1500. And when sales slow down or stagnate, he will let some lucky sumbitch get one for $1200 and he will be happier than hell to save $300.


    If he were selling real estate and figured that out like he has dogs, he would have a series of info-mercials or be doing a cross-country series of seminars.


    We bred to Frisco naturally way back, and got good dogs. His percentages say you will get good dogs now but maybe a person can't replicate his successes without knowing the real recipes or real ingredients. But good dogs nonetheless.


    Here is why people hate on Tom.
    1. Most that spend $1200-1500 on a dog is never going to do anything to damage their investment and then breed said investment in hopes of a monetary return, or worst case, to recoup their initial investment. That's not on Tom but he takes it on the chin for these people too.
    2. The dogs cost too much and he is making a mint 'off of these dogs'. Tom can only charge and receive what someone is willing to pay. The dogs are worth only what someone is willing to pay. Again, not on Tom, but he gets a kick in the nuts in the name of capitalism.
    3. He has bred a lot of dogs, bought back a lot of winners, swapped out prospects and puppies for proven dogs to perpetuate his dogs. Again, a kick in his ass for not having to feed 100 unproven young dogs vs. feeding a yard full of proven performers and proven producers.
    4. And basically he is extremely successful at what he does. Everybody has at least a little disconnect with other's successes, especially if competing in the same niche.


    To sum up 1 thru 4. Like his customers he spends an awful lot of money to re-acquire dogs he sold. Dogs that others have risked life, limb and freedom to proof. His prices are only what the buyer allows and the money is a return on his investments. He figured out a business strategy long ago and capitalized thru capitalism in the dogs.


    I don't own anything from him nor will I because I'm too cheap to drop that much on a puppy. I'm also too cheap and don't have the time to sell and buy back proven dogs in order to make more dogs. I don't have the business inclination to turn my hobby into a legitimate livelihood, a lucrative livelihood as well.


    It is easy to hate on ol' Tom. S
     
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  18. treezpitz

    treezpitz CH Dog Staff Member

    DWBK, no need for new tg threads when there are plenty like this one to add to. Thanks.
     
  19. nmdogs

    nmdogs Big Dog

    Re: Hangin' With Tom

    Nicely said slim ... back in 06/07 I got a
    Son of dynamite bred to a daughter of
    Rebel yell I paid 1250 shipped back then
    His prices were 900 or 1000 ... with my
    Limited experience with Toms dogs I
    Would buy another one if I had the money
    Or stud to one of his male's but at this
    Time I'm happy with what dogs I have now
    And see no reason to add another dog to
    The yard...but if I had the room and money
    And saw something that Tom has that I
    Wanted I wouldn't mind paying his price

    Nmdogs
     
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  20. jstevens

    jstevens Big Dog

    Re: Hangin' With Tom

    all the hate on GARNER is so old, and tired. if someone mentions his name people start foaming at the mouth. people ask about him because he's relevant (ARE YOU) ? how can you form your mouth to disrespect a man who has done nothing more,than produce more quality dogs than everyone on this forum combined. AND MAKE A SHIT LOAD OF MONEY DOING IT. when someone has a different opinion than these people they want to start calling names. what world are you from where you can say to another man that he's a tg nutsucker,and ball licker. if you have good dogs' and good connections you should be thankful.stop hiding behind this PURIST BULLSHIT, and say what it is. YOU WANT TO BE A MEMBER OF AN EXCLUSIVE CLUB.the only club you've found in your entire hum-drum life that's willing to except you and your hatred, jealousy,and contempt for successful and forward thinking individuals.

    many of you are full of knowledge and your contributions are greatly appreciated.it's men and women like you who will carry this great breed forward. as far as tom garner and many of the old time breeders, (OOPS) I ment to say peddlers corvino,colby,patrick,carver,sorrell,hammonds are concerned. here's their message to you. "IF THEY HATE THEN LET THEM HATE AND WATCH THE MONEY PILE UP".
     

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