people biting pitbulls

So Im going to be blunt...Why is it that so many dogs of this breed bit and attack people? Please awnser respectfully couse ive owned the breed and am being the DEVELS ADVOCATE her and looking for people who have owned this breed a long time and are not newwbie to this breed and say dumb things like well all dogs bite! I shot my dog within 60seconds of biting my kid in the face and now have to deal with my entire family of
I TOLD YA SO"s!!!! I love this breed to death and know the probability of geting a bad representian of the breed is whats at hand but what the HELL. If you breed gamebred pitbulls and have what the ADBA or whatever registrie has for the breed standard as far correct temperment I am wiiling to fly to yourplace and pay top dollar for a correct temperment dog just to shut everybody up. please PM any puppies avallable or I will give phone # and talk direct. I do not fight dogs I am looking for a champanion to go with on car rides, spingpole,wieghtpull, long runs enjoy family gathering, hunting trips and just being a dam dog! without wanting to attack a kid!!!

 

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In my experience (limited with the apbt) with dogs I have found that 9 times out of ten a dog bites for a reason (unless it's an EBT with S.O.A). Whether it be prey drive not curbed, boundaries not set or a challenge to his/her dominance most of which can be prevented from puppy hood. The reason kids get bitten a lot of the time (not all) is because they have unknowingly provoked the attack somehow on a dog that has not been raised the correct way. Obviously this is not allways the case but I have done some research into dog bites and a lot of the time this seems to be what has happened. I caught my 5 year old nephew (at the time) flicking an ellastic band at one of my dogs nuts once, my dog did nothing but wince slightly. I could bet there are a lot of dogs out there that may have acted different tho'. My cousin had a Bullmastiff that bit a little girl in the face for no apparent reason, we later found out that the dog was asleep and the girl jumped on her in her bed :rolleyes:, so you see in my experience there normally is a trigger. jmho

 

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there are gamebred apbt that carry the genes to throw man biters so you will have to do a bit of homework on each bloodline and which dogs were used to weed out a few manbiter's the oldtimers let slide because of there talents. im not saying that they will throw manbiters or that the bloodlines as a whole will carry that trait but it will show up from time to time in low percentage.
there is no clear reasoning on why some dogs bite. some bite out of excitement, some bite out of anger,stress, or even pain. then there are the crazies maybe from a very tight breeding or maybe there is no reason. when having any type of dog around kids people must realize that there is a chance the dog can harm them.
if its just a pet you want then maybe an amstaff or a show line that is temperament tested will be most suitable. the worst thing that can happen is if your kid gets bit again and injured.

 

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In what situation would a dog think it need to bit a kid in a fight for dominance. boundaries are not on the couch or bed or stay out of the kitchen you should not have to set boundaries to not bit childeren. I have owned none gamebred dogs and have wittnesed physical demening incounters upon my previous BYB nongame dogs and they just took like a well tempermented dog would. I witnessed this atack and it envolved a kid that was just standing there my dog just reached out and bit her in the face then was preseded with a short walk and a gun.
An EBT with S.O.A so were breed spacific with issues?

 

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So why in the breed standord it dosent say that this breed bites out exitement anger, stess or pain, I thought these dogs had high pain tolerance level headed and had no reason to be angry with people. So owning a gamebred dog means theres no temperment testing? I thought temperment was first and formost.

 

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I wasn't trying to say the kid did something wrong in your particular case as I wasn't there but from what you have said I believe to be true and I think you did the right thing.

I was addressing the point that you say "Why is it that so many dogs of this breed bit and attack people?" I was giving you an insight into what I have found.

As for dominance, it can be shown in a lot of ways. It can start with someone holding eye contact too long and being nervous. The dog can then smell the change in hormones and see body language change, then someone says "oh he's allright he won't bite" the person then moves their hand too quick over the dogs head to pet it or towards it's face and the dog reacts to what it sees. I have seen this happen. When you see a dog licking a kid in the face and leaning into the kid as tho' the dog is trying to get affection, unless their tail is down and they are showing submissive body language this is dominance, so yes dominance issues DO occur with kids.

As for boundaries you misunderstood me and your analogy was correct when you said - "boundaries are not on the couch or bed or stay out of the kitchen" If a dog does not have these boundaries then they lack respect and there is a hightened chance they will bite.

When I reffered to S.O.A (Sudden Onset Aggression) I was saying that I know some EBT's have have this and is another reason for dog bites and as you are fully aware with your experience with this breed that just because a dog is not an apbt does not mean that the media and humaniacs will not say that it is a full apbt in an attempt to HUMANELY murder apbt's. And yes I am being breed speciffic with the issue of S.O.A as I have seen it in two EBT's myself and it is a known problem in the breed, I am not saying all EBT's have it or display it but I have seen it first hand and ONLY in EBT's. They will be sleeping wake up go crazy and try to bite the first person or animal they see and then just go back to sleep as if nothing had happened.

Another reason is bad breeding practices where there is not enough culling done IMO.

Hope that clears my post up for you.

 

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I have reasons to believe most of these "pit bull" bites or attacks deal with mixes or just overall bad backyard breeding where who knows what they are dealing with in that gene pool since a huge part of backyard breeding deals with most of the traits that do not even define the breeds standard but rather just strictly looks or $$$ which eventually can arise with problems for the breed in general.

Also though I agree with mw9661 a load here, there can be many clear indications as to why a dog will strike.

 

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I love bull terrires of any breed and will always fight their corner but i do see more and more pbt that are bitters and I think a lot of this is down to bybreeders and people not culling man bitters.And also to many being bred so law of averages you are going to get some biters.

 

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I believe it has a lot to do with proper training of the dog and the child. Boundries and limitations should be set on both. Also good knowledge of dog physicology and behaviour, i.e., anything eye level could be considered as prey in a dogs eye. Also keeping in mind that they are animals, not children in fur coats isn't a bad idea. Dogs can't reason.
We, being the thinking human have to make the right decision for our dogs. Never put them in a sitiuation where they are albe to bite and injure someone or something.
Proper containment is essential as well.

 

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The number of pitbull bites are not a direct reflection of the American Pitbull Terrier. Pitbull bite statistics are made up of several different breeds of dog, but only one is the actual pitbull, not a pitbull type. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the American Pitbull Terriers statistics not being mixed in with Staffordshires, Amstaffs, Ambullies, American Bulldogs, Boxers, or anything else would be a rather low number of dog bites and fatalities. So this should answer your original question as to why they bite so much... its just an illusion.

As far as the reason behind the dog biting your child, you may never know. Something could've set your dog off that made him bite, dogs rely on instinct more times than not. Weather its trust or distrust, to chase, to bite, the dog will get impulses. Guess it just depends on how your previous dog was bred, what kind of dogs he came from and the situation at hand. There is no excuse for biting a child especially in the face, but you never know what the dog was seeing and feeling. Was he seeing a human child or was his brain telling him something else? But I would've done the same as you did.

Atleast you were there to stop it and supervised your child and animal or we would've probably read about it on here! leaving nasty comments about how irresponsible the owner was lol

 

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most attacks aren't even apbt's in the first place.

how many attacks have there really been were apbt's were involved?
not many at all.
oh, and UKC and ABKC dogs are NOT apbt's IMO.

 

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My simple answer is this - if you lump together 10-20 different dog breeds and call them all "pit bulls" of course it will seem like there are more bites from the "breed". If I took all herding class dogs and counted their bites together, the statistics would be inflated as well.

Are bites going up because of ignorance, bad breeding, and multiple breeds being counted as "pit bulls"? Yes. Are bites from actual true American Pit Bull Terriers any where near as numerous or common? Hell no.

It is very easy to inflate statistics when you count American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, American Bullies, American Bulldogs, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldogs, Bandogges, Ca de Bous, Presa Canarios, Filas, Boston Bulldogs, and any other muscled short haired breed together...

 

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Probably because "Pit Bulls" are a combination of many different breeds plus any mix breed that looks anything like one and some that dont:rolleyes:
To make it even worse dispite the high amount of BSL they are prob the most popular breed. I know where i live there are more "Pit Bulls" than any other breed and i mean A LOT MORE than any other breed.
Next thing is that they are the fad dog right now. Remember when the Rott was the fad dog a few years ago the dobbie before that? A lot of irresponsible uneduacted owners got dogs they couldn't handle and werent educated about. Even worse they try to train them to be "TOUGH" which ends up in incidents.
And even worse everyone wants to be a breeder, so they take to dogs of a certain breed and put them together with no knowledge of genetics or any idea about select breeding. Now you have dogs that aren't up to standard or of sound mind and body as well as puppies just like them going to other irresponsible owners so they can breed the same.
Notice most of this is Human error not the dog. I know, SHOCKING:eek:

 

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If you know these dogs and have had them as you say, shouldn't you know all this that's being said? or maybe this is just your attempt to get a pup or to get on someone's yard.. "willing to pay top dollar for a correct adba pit bull huh" why not just get an amstaff with no drive. or a big headed fat ambully?

 

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i really not gonna go into reading everyones post BUT

alot of issues with these dogs stem from ownership issues, these dogs has to KNOW that the human is the leader and they are the follower, throught the years i have seen a bad dog or two but most could have been corrected they just didnt know better but every long once and a while you'll run into one that will bite, i've only seen one in many years i couldnt handle and only one. but its problem was lack of socialization cuz i knew the owner and its what he was raised for. These dogs have to know that there is consiquinces for they're actions from day one. sure they may chew up your favorite shoes or table legs but never show aggression towards a child. if one of mine ever showed aggression towards a child it would suffer the consiqences,, a slight growl would teach him a lesson for sure.

 

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I would think that most dogs not just pit bulls will bite #1 is out of being trained to bite,fear,genetics,and food agression.

 

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What people have to remember about these dogs is that they are usually very keen on playing favorites. If you have a PBT as a house dog make sure that it is socialized with all members of the family equally.

I know of someone that had a game bred pit as a house dog. The dog ended up biting the wife of its master. The dog never showed any human aggressive traits at all. The woman who he attacked, fed and cared for the dog on occasion. The master was one of these people that would always be alone with the dog. Wether it was in the car, in the TV room or sleeping at night.

The couple later in life where going through hard times and the dog was privy to a lot of screaming and carrying on in the home. After a few years of this, the wife went into the masters bed room and the dog was on the bed. The dog attacked her and if she didn't fall into the wall, the dog probably would have killed her.

 

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im no pro on the breed, not by any means, but when you think about it, what is a pitbull to you? you have to realize 99% of the population doesnt know what a pitbull is, and in my opinion their is only ONE dog worthy of being called a pitbull. People can look at 10 different bully breeds and think they are all "pitbulls". ive heard people call the dogo argentino, bigger more muscular pitbull lines. You have to realize if any bully breed bites, they will label it as a "pitbull attack". thats why i personally see no future for the breed, because intead of people getting more educated, theyre just all falling into the media hype of what a "pitbull" is. If you ask me, the "pitbull" is a RARE breed. By that, i mean when you take into account what the peoples perspective of a pitbull is, and what they own and THINK is a pitbull, the REAL "pitbull" is a very rare breed of dog.

 

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LOL great post viegas! im speechless

 

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lol..i try