Tom Garner VS DNA!

It will stop when he stop selling dogs always some greenH going to come on here asking bout tom.

 

bwaaaaaahhhhh... classic joe brown... and you gave him the 50 dollars right

 

Just to be an ass,ever heard of what Floyd Boudreaux said about the all-time Gr. Ch. Zebo? Do you think Zebo was of Lonzo's Andy or Eli?

 

Did mayfield not breed him?

 

Loooooooooooooooooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

you're damn right syr!

 

Who really cares...the man has owned some of the best and produced some of the best and still doing it at a high level and being smart about it. Non of this talk or the ADBA bothers him...believe that. He has forgot more about bulldogs than most know. And for the love of god! I bet most every single bulldog you see has a hung ped or some falsifications. Who in the hell would sell the secret recipe or give away the winning lottery ticket? Lol. And we are talking about 1 dog (Frisco). How many dogs are in a 8 gen ped? And your stressing over Frisco? Regardless if it was Frisco, Elmo or whoever...same blood runs through the veins. You just need to tape into it or mix your drink the way you like it. Elmo wasnt a shabby hound either. Frisco Elmo Momo Haystack El Negro Crocodile Ceazer whoever, they all stem from "One" bulldog. The late and great Chinaman. I would say that is the "type" your trying to bottle neck and capture. It wasnt like Frisco was a bad ass...he just spit out bad asses. So if its one of his Bad ass off spring and you get a bad ass pup off him instead of Frisco who gives a damn really. Same type...same blood. I have TG dogs, and I'm not breeding my hounds trying to reincarnate "Frisco". But I damn sure would like another Chinaman! Catch my drift? The way to Chinaman is through Frisco or His off spring. So does it matter which route long as you get there? But if it bothers you that much..only get pups that aren't from frozen semen. Get pups from verified breedings and so forth. If someone bit my hand when I'm feeding them (ADBA). I'd stop feeding them to! But bottom line is he's not sweating what any of us say...peddler...paper hanger..asshole...whatever. Stil putting out good bulldogs and bringing in them green backs.

 

Hey Tennessee, my chinaman blood has no frisco, I have owned the frisco blood and really liked it, but this one here is special.
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Nice buddy! Yea I'm saying most people's Chinaman is through Frisco off spring. Other than Tom Tu and then there's speculation on that to. But that's nice man...good bulldogs in that ped. I myself have Frisco in my peds. I also have Spike in a bulldogs ped. He's a Chinaman/little Gator hound. But there's another supposed hung ped there, some folks believe that Snakemans Pedro produced little Gator and not Spike. No one knows the truth but Tom G. But honestly...I don't give a shit about that either because Pedro was a Bad ass to! So to me it's a win win either way. I do find it odd that the entire little gator strain on my bulldogs ped, such as Joe Black and Black Angel and Crocodile...even Little Gator are all Black and Spike was Tan. Then again the ped I'm speaking of is a 50/50 Chinaman cross so that could be where all the black dogs mentioned above come from. Either way...the hound I'm talking about is a keeper so it's all good with me. I have a Tom Tu strain of Chinaman also...totally different bulldog than my Chinaman dogs with Frisco in them. Not that either are bad..if they were I wouldn't have them. But that's rare to see a Chinaman bred dog with no Frisco now days so that's cool man.

 

Absolutely right buddy. I have had a dog with a 1/4 frisco, spike out and he was an honest dog. I have a friend of mine that has a tom tu male that we have high hopes for, and another friend of mine swears by the frisco/little gator cross and the ones I have seen have been above average. People can talk all the shit they want to about TG but the truth is that he has produced some athletes and has owned some of the best in modern times. I would like to breed my renegade male to a heavy frisco or pedro female. If you know of any let me know.

 

I know some folks with heavy Frisco females from Dynomite and Ceaser. I got a female down from Dynomite. I got a Male off Ceaser recently to. But unfortunately I'm not currently breeding my Bitches...just studding out select Males at the moment. But I could put you in contact with some good folks to help you with what your looking for if they are cool with it to.

 

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That's him man, he has never had an advantage and always comes through. He is going to be bred on my yard early next year, as I missed my favorite gyps heat by a couple days.

 

That's a serious ped man! Looks good! Seeing that Nigerino in the ped down from Gr ch Art Takes me back man. My First bulldogs were down from Art..with a twist of Ross Red Devil. The last two I had died of old age a few years ago. Sure do miss them dogs. Thats when i got into my Chinaman dogs. One of the females I had was a bit iffy though...she would bite a MoFo. The male had crazy prey drive and game as hell and picking kennel fights even at the ripe old age of 15. Couldnt hear or see and working with nubs but the SOB would try on young bucks in a minute lol. I'm sure I can find someone interested in your renegade stud. PM me so we can keep in touch. Sorry fellas..didn't mean to go down memory lane and hi jac the consistent and forever ongoing TG disputes lol.

 

Very nice bred dog,hope you get some goods ones off him.

 

Them Renegade dogs are very consistent, I've seen a nice amount of them, and decent dogs
never seen any world beaters, but hadn't seen any curs either.

 

Thanks man, and did you ever own Maggie? Boy she is a great looking animal! I am getting one off her to my dogs brother. I have high hopes for the new line up.

 

Absolutely right man. Gameness is not something the line lacks.

 

Yeah buddy he is a good dog and I am curious to see if he throws the same.

 

Theres rumors that Casper has hung papers not sure if it's true or not. Either way Casper was a good dog. Not sure how he produced tho. Whatever happened to Ch Hurricane that P.E. had. I have a bitch that I've always wanted to breed to him. P.E. owes me a breeding but he shut down his website and I lost his number. He supposedly got out of the dogs but said he was gonna keep back some of his better studs. Took one of my bitches all the way from Ohio down there to breed to rajun cajun and drove back a week later to pick her up and the bitch didn't take. Wasted a lot of time and money and didn't get a single pup out of it.

 

The best bitch I have ever fed is off Rajun Cajun, and he has straws off of him, you just need to call P. Casper was never doubted to be off of Rat. I have seen more Rat dogs than most, and Casper was the epitome of a Rat dog. His owner showed a lot of folks what not to do with a bulldog and he still made champion. The only rumor I heard about with Casper was that his offspring had parrot mouth, and maybe they did, I just haven't seen one. What female are you taking down to P.E.'s to be bred?