Traits of a potential hard mouther...

lol!!!!!!!!!ACTUALLY IT'S APLYING PRESSURE TO THE TOES,AND DOING A COUNT TEST JUST TO SEE THE REACTION TIME OF SAID PUP.THIS IS ONE OF MANY TESTS THAT U DO WHEN U GO TO PIC OUT A PUP.BY DOING THESE TESTS,IT'S IS SUPPOSED TO HELP U FIGURE OUT IF THAT PUP WILL BE A MANBITTER OR NOT.HAS NOTTING TO DO WITH MOUTHLMAO

 

Well at least im not the only one who has heard of doin that lol!!!

 

Its impossible to tell. Its like having a dozen babies in front of you, and then trying to determine who will grow up to be the strongest.

 

Because it doesn't work, All you will end up doing is making the dog not like to be handled.

Never ceases to amaze me what all the so called "experts" can come up with and can always verify that it was done in the old days and all this non sense.

Remember this, What one does to a pup sticks with them till the day they die be it good or bad. Pinch the feet and do all this other non sense and the bad associations will stay with them and then good luck treating a foot wound or otherwise. Mess the the dogs hips and such and good luck handling the hind legs in general, If that is what you want and have to wrestle the dog and muzzle it for every little thing then great but I would much rather have my dogs that I can touch from nose to tail with no problems.

 

Dam dude i didnt say u squeeze the shit out of em and not ever once did you hear me say i was an expert that was you and your daddy and your grandad remember and the one time i did try this never did that dog ever mind me handling him i think your reading WAY to much into it old timer. I didnt even say that shit works lol!!! That dog as a puppy past that test but as an adult was one of the most human aggressive dogs ive ever been around so i really dont put much stock into that test any how.

 

good post!!

 

if its not what you said then it wasnt directed at you Erie.
no big deal.

but you did ask why did you not?
and i see you also got the answer.

 

I'm not saying you fucking hurt them, jesus christ, you guys would think im fucking stringing them up and going at them with a hot wire poker. You put a tiny bit of pressure on the spots mentioned, not fucking crab claw them n make em hurt. Sheesh.

You ever see old school KNPV/Schutzhund folk teach the dog to out on a sleeve. You ever seen people use an electric collar. You ever seen someone use a prong collar?

^ Bet you don't say SHIT then huh? Fucking whingers... everyone has their quirks and little things they do differently to others. If you disagree fine. But last time I checked, there was a rule about bagging out people in a topic continuously. I'm all for people like Old Timer that say "you know what, i've never done that and wouldn't follow that advice" - but half the other pricks in this thread have probably never owned a fucking bulldog let alone trained or tried to pick one.

Next thing you know, dropping a metal bowl round a whelping box to see who's nervy and who's got nuts is gonna be cruel too I suppose!

 

Ya'll go on about how much punishment this breed can take and come back for more, btu a 2 finger pressure pinch between the toes is gonna destroy a dog - hypocritical cry baby wankers.

 

At least someone has half a brain.

 

don't know about half a brain lol..
i honestly don't see any advantage in doing such things, let alone see'ing if it could be a man biter lol..
more wive's tails and myths i think.
im never suprised though to see what some people will do to try and see how a pup is.
honestly, if your look'n for a pup, and youve done your research to find a breeding you think may produce a good dog, then you would be satisfied with any from that litter. the only other diccision you would have, would be if it was female or male that you wanted.
if they are bred right, and for most people, based on a 6-8 week old pup, one could be as good as the other.
you aint going to know how hard one is going to bite, for sure at that age.
one breeding i made years ago, i had imparticular 1 little red gyp that would bite like heels when i went out to the pen and not let go. that is biting my heels to the point i had to sit down and pry her off. does this mean she was a potential man biter? did it mean she was a potential hard biter? you tell me.........
she did however kill a male that got off his chain in her later years, and she did basically eat him. without going into detail to much, three legs were broke and he didn't have a face left.
then we get to her brother, who at 6-8 weeks of age was as mellow as they come. he just sat back and watched the other pups beat up on each other. he'd much rather sit/lay in the sun and relax.
now if you were priviledged enough to come take a look at this litter you would not have known that this brother(male) was the hardest biting son of a bitch ive come across, as you only get a limited time with him.
on the occasion i did feel his bite, all i could say was "son of a bitch" lol..
turns out, until this day he still is. he is a bone breaker, dog eating mother f*****.
one thing with that litter, their bite may have varied in strenght, but none would let go. im two ways with expression of hard bite/mouth dogs.
i consider it to be a dog that won't let go, but i also consider it as bite pressure one can have. i like em to have both and i feel priviledged to have both lol....
id be thinking more about look'n at an out going confident pup before i when trying to find out anything else. let the rest happen. if they are right they'll do.

 

Now thats constructive criticism *thumbs up button*

 

Well I don't claim to be a expert or know every single thing there is to know about dogs or that, I do know a thing or two though. Not to long ago here I actually learned something about motor oil that I never really thought about (Thanks to Boogieman and the other couple members who explained it to me) But on things that are blatantly wrong I always do try and leave no room for error in my answers.

But if it didn't work in your opinion, And the dog ended up being nuts which I am not saying is a result of what you did...Then best not to recommend or agree with such advice given.

 

No making loud noises around a litter is fine, No harm in that at all. But if your applying enough "pressure" to get a response from the pup then your applying to much "pressure". And coupled with your other recommendations it is just not good advice and certainly not something I could sit by and not say nothing about. But as far as the other dogs being trained and such, When something is wrong I will call people on it regardless be on here or in person. I don't play favorites with topics or people and I have actually gotten into arguments with some of these so called protection dog trainers and things of that nature for the methods a lot of them use. When done the right way there isn't anything wrong with it, But you get the idiots that don't know what they are doing or they are looking to take shortcuts and things of that nature then yes I will and have gotten very up close and personal with them and in one instance actually took their dog away from them and got a hold of the person who sent it to the idiot for training and explained what happened and returned the dog to them and recommended them to a good trainer.

Yes it is true that the dogs can take a great amount of punishment and rarely ever show any signs of pain, But still no need to take that as a cue to do stupid things with them.

I believe you know a good but about the dogs, And I do like a good bit of the things you have to say; I just think this is a little misguided and after you get some education you can see where your off on this.

 

Good post Old Timer

 

m8 ! you made my day............LOL.

 

its not a matter of destroying a dog, im sure thats not gonna happen by pinching some toes, but your advice was about as amateur as it gets bud. no need to start crying and name callin:rolleyes:

 

I guess Cesar Milan and Ed Frawley are pretty amature now aren't they :rolleyes: :o :p Go read some books on competitive dog sports and watch either of those guys DVD's. Better yet, save yourself the money and watch top level KNPV, IPO Schutzhund, Mondio or French Ring.

Creating man biters... where do you guys come up with this shit honestly?

2 of the most reknowned dog trainers in the freaking planet use the methods I listed, but its amature advice?

Just about EVERY Schutzhund trainer worth a kick in the nuts will tell you that bite is inherited, sure they are talking about other breeds but its across the board, they then go on to tell you that bite pressure (on a sleeve, but once again the knowledge is transferrable) has to do with a dogs willingness to bite, fight and hold.

One HUGE problem in the types of dogs that are suitable for Schutzhund (Belgian Malinois, German Shepherd Dogs, Beauceron, Giant Schnauzer, Rottweilers etc) is that they don't want to hit a sleeve with a deep grip, or any bite with a deep grip for that matter.

When "proofing" pups there are a number of tests people do including ALL of those AND MORE than what I mentioned. Ed Frawley being 1 of them.. a guy who's produced 300+ litters of champion working dogs in his time.

HOW MANY HAVE YOU PRODUCED? WHERE ARE YOUR REFERENCES?

Oh wait, you don't fucking have any. You just open your mouths before you think, or consider the idea, someone may have a different way of doing things than you and dismiss it as cruel, or not working.

HAVE YOU EVER TRIED IT? THEN HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW IT DOESNT WORK?

Seems to be plenty good for 2 of the most reputable, top guys in the game of dog training in the world, and if its good enough for them, its good enough for me. :cool:

 

and im so sure jrouble that cesar and whatever his name is have a better way of finding the traits of a hard mouther? they have so much [] experience dont they.

and of course you are going to get criticised IF YOU MAKE A STATEMENT AS STUPID AS THAT YOU DESERVE IT.

i couldnt give two fucks if you think ive seen a real bulldog or not, but im pretty sure if i havent then you def havent if these are your ways of determining things with your dogs.

dude you can go on about shock collars and prong collars all you want , i couldnt care less. ive never needed any of those to train any dogs , all ive ever needed is a lead and a firm voice.

 

i cannot be arsed debating with someone who resorts to a book he has read and not to first hand experience.