Members, G-D and I need your help!

Hey Marty this is fantastic!!!!!! Follow this link: http://www.povn.com/rdows/PostiionOnContainment.html

You may want to contact Cherie Graves (RDOWS) and see if she will let you put a link to her site on it. She may have more contacts/sites/ideas etc. Maybe she'll even make a statement or something for the site. She's a huge advocate of dog owner's rights.

 

Thanks LB

Isn't she on Chat? I know I've seen her posting somewhere... I'll find her

 

well, the truth is that most kennels ar 10 X10, and if you took a 5' chain on an axle/pivot, you just about have the same area. so a 10' chain is twice thr area, basically. Plus, I see nothing wrong with using a 5/16" chain. I use 1/4 and 5/16, And smaller for chain breaking a pup. The dog is more accessable on a chain, and there is no doubt that my dogs are more happy. Can I build a kennel that will hold a bulldog? Yes I can. I can build a kennel that no bulldog can get out of, but they are simply happier on the chain. Either ukc or adba has regulations/guidlines for tethering, and I believe length of chain if proportional to size of dog.

Also, One of the reasons for using a large chain is that as the chain is dragged around, the metal gets worn down, and there for the chain gets weaker. As to the taking length off the bought length, actually(I also dont loop the chain to the pivot, but would ring the axle if that was what I was using) you will actually get more length by the time you add your swivel and lap links, ect.

 

Marty...she moderates the BSL forum on chat...

 

Well you know the deal on that :rolleyes:

 

please note the 2nd paragraph, inparticular, the percentage of bites going to unrestrained dogs on their property... BIG difference between 10 and 70 percent...


The Washington Animal Foundation did a survey on human fatalities by dogs in 2001 and came up with these figures, Rottweiler (6); Labrador (2);
Pomeranian (1); German Shepherd (2); Chow (1); Wolf-Hybrid (1); Akita (1); Doberman (1); Beagle (1); Presa Canario (2); Pit Bull (1); mixed breeds (6). When comparing these figures with the human fatalities from 1975-80 by Pickney & Kennedy, Traumatic Deaths from Dog Attacks in the United States, the report identified the following as responsible for human fatalities during the study period from May, 1975 to April, 1980: German Shepherd (16); Husky (9); St. Bernard (8); Bull Terrier (6); Great Dane (6); Malamute(5); Golden Retriever (3); Boxer (2); Dachshund (2); Doberman Pinscher (2); Collie (2); Rottweiler(1) ; Basenji (1); Chow-Chow (1); Labrador Retriever (1); Yorkshire Terrier (1); mixed and unknown breeds (15). One would question the accuracy of human fatalities by dogs from current reports and especially the statistics on the Pit Bull. When looked at from a more realistic point of view one would find Shepherds and other working dogs rate higher in fatalities. However,
given the increasing population of dog breeds at any given time, it is impossible to compare one breed to another.

20% of deaths involve unrestrained dogs off the owner's property, 70% involve unrestrained dogs on the owner's property, and 10% involve restrained dogs on the owner's property. Unrestrained dogs are responsible for a high number of dog bite reports and attacks to other animals. Over 30 breeds of dogs have been involved in 400 human deaths in a 30 year period.

 

great idea mart i mean when you have multiple dogs chaining them is a great idea. also stopping this nonsense before it even gets started is a great idea i will do what i can also how do we help the cause do we go on a website or are you going to explain in a later forum

 

I've really not done anything with this, was waiting on more participation so to speak

 

Not to go grave diggin',

But did this idea ever take off?

 

I'm with you on this one Marty.

Suki you hit the nail right on the head with those pics. That's just fuel for the Anti's! I'ma do my best to keep my eyes open for more info to help out!

 

This is from the American Veterinary Medical Association.
Notice points 2,3 and 4.




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The AVMA, as a medical authority for the health and welfare of animals, offers the following eight integrated principles for developing and evaluating animal welfare policies, resolutions, and actions.

• The responsible use of animals for human purposes, such as companionship, food, fiber, recreation, work, education, exhibition, and research conducted for the benefit of both humans and animals, is consistent with the Veterinarian's Oath.
• Decisions regarding animal care, use, and welfare shall be made by balancing scientific knowledge and professional judgment with consideration of ethical and societal values.
• Animals must be provided water, food, proper handling, health care, and an environment appropriate to their care and use, with thoughtful consideration for their species-typical biology and behavior.
• Animals should be cared for in ways that minimize fear, pain, stress, and suffering.
• Procedures related to animal housing, management, care, and use should be continuously evaluated, and when indicated, refined or replaced.
• Conservation and management of animal populations should be humane, socially responsible, and scientifically prudent.
• Animals shall be treated with respect and dignity throughout their lives and, when necessary, provided a humane death.
• The veterinary profession shall continually strive to improve animal health and welfare through scientific research, education, collaboration, advocacy, and the development of legislation and regulations.

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I don't know but it seems like everybody left the fight? What's goin on here!

 

It seems like they still got alot to say about tethering a dog but we are just sittin around while they still fight the fight and we just left the struggle. WHAT'S GOIN ON PEOPLE!

Quoted from www.unchainyourdog.org/documents/Chaining_QA.pdf

3. Are tethered dogs otherwise treated well?​

Unfortunately, tethered dogs rarely receive sufficient care. They suffer from sporadic feedings, overturned
water bowls, inadequate veterinary care, lack of exercise, and extreme temperatures. They have to eat, sleep,
urinate, and defecate in a single confined area. Grass is usually beaten into hard-packed dirt by the dog’s​

continual pacing. Chained dogs are rarely given even minimal affection and are easily ignored by their owners.

 

This was Quoted from State legislative Resource @www.avma.org



Indiana adopted HB 1387 to amend its animal cruelty law to include instances where an animal is kept on a tether that was too small or too heavy.
As previously stated, Maine law already required a specific length of tether when a dog was tethered outdoors for long periods of time. Maine modified its law slightly with the adoption of HB 1137 which sets the appropriate length of tether. Pursuant to the bill, the appropriate length is dependent on whether the tethers are secured by stationary anchors or pivot anchors.
Maryland adopted SB 696 which prohibits the use of any restraint that (1) unreasonably limits the movement of a dog, (2) restricts its access to food and water, (3) has a primarily metal collar, (4) has a collar that is less than the circumference of the dog's neck plus one inch, (5) causes injury to the dog, or (6) places the dog in unsafe or unsanitary conditions.
Michigan adopted HB 4551 which provides that an owner, possessor, or person having the charge or custody of an animal shall not tether a dog unless the tether is at least 3 times the length of the dog as measured from the tip of its nose to the base of its tail and is attached to a harness or nonchoke collar designed for tethering.
New Mexico adopted a resolution which directs the Department of Public Safety to conduct a study to investigate the public safety and humane implications of persistently tethering dogs.
Tennessee adopted SB 637 which establishes as an element of cruelty to animals, the offense of knowingly tying, tethering or restraining a dog in a manner that results in the dog suffering bodily injury.
Texas adopted HB 1411 which prohibits an owner from keeping a dog outside and unattended by use of a restraint that (1) unreasonably limits the dog's movement between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m., (2) is within 500 feet of the premises of a school, or (3) where extreme weather conditions are present. The new law also provides requirements as to the appropriate type of collar and tether length.
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In addition to these seven states, South Carolina introduced SB 833 in 2007 and is still pending in the Judiciary Committee as of May, 2008. The South Carolina bill would limit tying a dog to a stationary object to three hours for every twenty-four hour period. In addition, the bill would provide that dogs on a cable trolley system could only remain on such a system for six hours for every twenty-four hour period.
In March 2008, West Virginia adopted HB 4344 which provides that animals must be adequately sheltered and prohibits the tethering or chaining of animals in a cruel manner.
In addition to the West Virginia bill, several other states have introduced bills in 2008 which would place restrictions on tethering animals. Some states proposed restrictions on the amount of time animals can be tethered while other states proposed restrictions on tether length.

Michigan continued to modify its tethering law by proposing HB 5946 which would require that the tether have a minimum length that is the greater of three (3) times the distance from the tip of the dog's nose to the base of its tail or 5 feet. In addition, the dog must be attached to a harness or nonchoke collar designed for tethering, with a swivel at both ends. The bill also provides that the tether shall not be used as a collar.
Rhode Island proposed SB 2096/SB 2153 which would require a tether length of six feet and would prohibit any dog from being tethered for more than ten hours during a 24 hour period, or for more than two hours without access to an outdoor housing facility. Similarly, Rhode Island HB 7284/SB 2101 would prohibit a dog from being tethered penned, caged, fenced or otherwise confined outside for more than 30 minutes when the temperature is beyond the weather safety scale.
New Jersey proposed SB 835 which would make chaining or otherwise restraining an animal so as to deprive it of the ability to properly eat, drink, shelter itself, move sufficiently to maintain its mobility and good health, or avoid serious injury to itself a part of the animal cruelty offense of unnecessarily failing to provide a living animal or creature with proper food, drink, shelter or protection from the weather.
In addition to the adopted bill, in January 2008, West Virginia proposed SB 274 which would provide that one who uses a chain, leash, rope, collaring device, tether or any assembly or attachments thereto to tether an animal that weighs more than one eighth of the animal's body weight, or due to weight, inhibits the free movement of the animal within the area tethered, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
Vermont proposed HB 627 would exempt sled dogs from tethering restrictions provided in its existing animal cruelty law.
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Finally, a handful of states have proposed and adopted legislation prohibiting the tethering of non-companion animals.

Florida and Arizona statutes both address tethering as it pertains to pregnant sows.
In 2007, California, Maryland, Oregon and Washington were among the states that considered tethering prohibitions for pigs and/or calves.
Finally, in 2007, Oregon adopted SB 694 which prohibits the confinement of a pregnant pig by tether or other means for a 12 hour or more period of time where such confinement prohibits the animal from turning around freely and lying down to fully extend its limbs.
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quoted from www2.islandpacket.com/node/27739

You go AndreaInNC

AndreaInNC wrote:

Not too bad, but FAIR!

Well at least the true agenda of the anti-chain groups come out. It is NOT about keeping dogs safe, but about silly elementary school issues, Your Way or No Way! I am so sick and tired of hearing "Everyone that chains a dog blah blah blah!!!!!" Give it a rest!! How many times do I need to take away from MY DOGS to sit here at this computer and DEFEND how I care for them????
Once again, I raise show dogs. We travel 22+ states a year showing (more Times than you get vacation Days- perhaps you should bring up tether issues to your boss about you and your desk....), my dogs sleep in my bed, eat my shoes, beg from the dinner table, win trophies, have titles, kiss my child goodnight. They also are kept on tethers when outside. Yup, they howl at the moon, sunbath in the morning light, watch the sun set/rise, they are maintained on our (fenced) property by means of tether systems.
Anti-tether laws affect US. The responsible dog owners that use tethers as a means of keeping our dogs on our property. This law is fantastic!! It protects the animals that are neglected, isn't that what we all want ultimately? Half of the dogs we care for annually come from bad homes, does that mean we turn around and say all homes are bad? NO!! And how dare you say all that tether are bad! Shame on you! Be happy that a law was passed to protect the neglected WHILE not infringing on the RIGHTS of responsible loving dog owners.
It is a sad moment to find out your agenda is more than just protecting the animals, it is a crusade to make your opinion law. I am sorry your narrow mind sees this as a loss, for the animals and their protectors see it as a great win.

 

OH my goodness!! I've seen this topic, over and over. Everyone has thier on opinions.

I will put my 2 cents in: Chaining gets a thumbs up from me It all boils down to knowing our dog.

I have had dog- agggggressive dogs and must be chained. I lived in a neighorhood with little mop dogs running everywhere. If the mop dog gets to close that's his A--. But my dog chases another,, than the POPO would have MINE.

I have had dogs that just hated MEN:eek:

These are PITBULLs !!and regardless of how much we try,, It going to be impossible to change everyone's mind about these dogs. WHEN, make sure your animal is secure.. EVEN IF IT THATS CHAINING.

depitlady

 

Well I finished reading a bunch of articles in recent 2008. It does seem that the banning of tethering is not totally out. Some States have altered the whole banning with rules. We just need educate people about these rules and play along.

 

imho alot of what gets the anti all riled up is the setup-
you can have a nice proper setup, a REAL house for them, and it doesnt look bad.
then you have to way wrong setups- the huge chains on puppies, only shelter is an overturned sofa and ~maybe~ a piece of plywood thrown over...its ~those~ people who are giving tethering the black eye.
done right- i see no problem w/ tethering at all

 

By the way JBlazeRx7, the SC bill fell through the floor, for now anyway.

 

well i hope this help, is not about chaining, but is how to build a good dog house.

http://wayneofthewoods.com/doghouse.html