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mayfield crosses

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by billbulldog, Jan 11, 2015.

  1. O.S.O. NAS

    O.S.O. NAS Big Dog

    They never were ???
     
  2. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Old Henry blood was never just black dogs Nas.They were red ,black and white in color and Don new this all to well from being around Earl but yet he made the statement towards the end of his career about staying away from the white dogs of this blood as he felt they were pulling more from the Irish genes.
     
  3. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    This shit was way before our time but if Don was right it means those dogs were crossed before they got to America.The English /Irish cross.
     
  4. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I do believe we misunderstood I am very very familiar with the old cross and what they produced as I have some on my yard.I simply said after Don focused so dam much on Ni--er his dogs seemed to lacked the luster of the earlier crossed dogs from earlier in his career.Now if this hurts ones feeling I sure do hate it,but yea Nig was so good that shit is every where in the states , give me a few years and I'll come back with a list of successfully established families in the U.S....Maybe that blood worked well overseas ,doesn't matter to me anyway.
     
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  5. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I guess I'll have to agree with crazy horse,left it in the wrong hands.
     
  6. O.S.O. NAS

    O.S.O. NAS Big Dog

    Yes never meant they were all just black . Yes I believe they were crossed before they came yet as always some feel a need to stamp their own title name or what not onto such. I'm no DM but I'm liking what both sides bring so much that I'm taking one back to them white coated ones. Lol the blood is thick in em anyway like them Red n Choc ones more then black but nvr gonna focus on a coat as It is not my focus yet I can see how it plays a role.
     
  7. O.S.O. NAS

    O.S.O. NAS Big Dog

    Naaa it's in the rt hands just not many caring to set the stuff for the world nor do those who have it care to be lifted by such they focus on the Dogs nothing more. Still alive and scratching.
     
  8. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    GH did a good job with it Nas and some good ones went over seas.Limey wound up with some nice dogs from GH
     
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  9. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Nig was down from from the Goldie /Dibo cross ,that was a long time ago and yes if you look at his ped he was bred nice and produced nice and yes Pit General down from Nig top and bottom.What I'm saying though reheard is when Don got older this blood that he was so focused on fell off the map in the states ,it just did.Like Crazy Horse said ,answer is it prob was left in the wrong hands.Some of you overseas got some and sounds like y'all done right by it.Not many over here fooled with it.Now I have some of that cross but no Nig in it.
     
  10. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    Bamaman is right that Henry dogs come in all colors from different origins,,,
    Tudor was quoted as looking for the dark destructive type that he had alot of luck with in the beginning of his career...

    From my studies I come up with my conclusion about the ni##er dog as being of the dark destructive phenotype he sought,,,
    he had many "friends" or strongholds of different phenotypes of dogs...

    The Howards had the Tobe ex Rose family,,,
    Jim Willims was a close neighbor that had great dogs and having Earl so close couldnt hurt any one...
    The Forsythes had their own dogs but Tudor placed ni##er with them as a pup and said there was something speacial about that black dog,,,
    the called him blacky and had him registererd as forsythes black shine...

    Maurice Carver later took this style of stacking dogs at others houses and cordinating breedings and let others do the
    foot work so he could see which way to breed his yard...

    the two were masters,,, dogmen and manipulators...

    Tudor started dogs very young and Heinzl took after that but later resorted to being more patient...

    So Blacky was rolled every month from around a year old and showed to be very destructive but not wanting to scratch,,,
    he ran threw dogs from Tudor,,, Williams and the Forsythes in a devastating fashion...

    The Forsythes did some breedings with the young destructive blacky aka ni##er as Earl showed great interest and didnt care
    he wouldnt scratch as he was looking for a long lost dark destructive phenotype...
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=903

    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=50399
    if you follow pedigrees you will see why Earl gave the Forythes Blacky as they had the old blood already...
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=20651
    remember mayfield said ELI was out CRYBABY...

    Earl got Blacky back and bred him a couple times and sold him to a young Don Mayfield as ni##er...


    Ni##er aka black shine bottom side was to be said of unknown pedigree but from Tudors old blood
    and he sought value in her type as he seen it before and been looking for in the Henry dogs...

    heres where stories conflict as earl said he wasnt the blacky dog that the forsythes raised...
    I believe Don felt duked and never faced the facts but later might have realized tudor wasnt guiding him astray ...
    I dont know if Blacky ever scratched for Don but Jim Williams had great dogs wrecked by Blacky and could spot him from a mile away...

    The next generation of Mayfield,,,Mr.Sykes and Mr.Burton believed Ni##er to be a good dog and I wouldnt argue with them,,,
    but I wouldnt rule out Williams,,,Forsythes and Mr.Foxs good word either...

    The difference to me is interests,,,
    one group was moving forward with this dark destructive HENRY phenotype,,,
    others got wrecked by it and had no reason to mislead anyone as they were not campaigning that blood...

    The next generation came to believe int the master Tudors theory when the famous pit general took over,,,
    only the general wouldnt pull back and would scratch to boot...
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=36386

    Well to me the other master I mentioned the Silver Fox took wind of this dark HENRY phenotype
    and slipped in when nobody was looking,,, the fox snatched the general and sent those texas cowboys west after the indian...

    I dont know where the general ended up but do know a black destructive type popped its head in mexico city,,,
    a place where the silver fox had close friends...

    Later dogs like Zebo and Bullyson showed that phenotype and the Silver Fox sought what Tudor had known...

    I like Mr.Mayfields contributions and respect him for so but felt a few things about him...
    He knew ni##er was a cur but also know Tudor knew something he didnt about the dog and pit general represented that well,,,
    Don bred for this Henry Phenotype but resented ni##er being a cur and thoroughly tested his breeding stock...

    Very hard on his dogs he had a lower percentage of dogs that made it,,,
    in theory breeding the dark destructive type as a phenotype and weeding out curs should make for the best family of dogs one could have
    and I am sure he was waiting for that rare pit general to surface but I dont believe he had any luck...

    I think the tight pool of genetics lowered the percentages also and he was very narrow minded breeder towards the end...

    I would have sought the white phenotypes of irish descent as well as any other worth breeding and feel the vast phenotypes in the same family add for longevity and the very reason why the Silver Fox sought value in Ed Crenshaws dogs in his breeding program...

    as far as the pit general goes another theory I have is also being unbiased at both ends...

    I dont how true it is that the cowboys went west after the indian looking for the general and killed sonnys brother whom looked like him...
    the gr ch midnight family definitely shows that ni##er/pit general phenotype and alot of those dogs look just like the family mayfield bred
    from tapering from a small back end to oversized head with wide cheeks and black and chocolate colors with red or gold eyes...
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=6736


    The other theory about pit generals retirement is the silver fox had him in mexico city with some friends and some years later...
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=276215
    this dog and his grandsire fit the phenotype profile and the pedigree is rumored south of the border to be pit general blood...

    these are my infinate bulldog theories about Mayfield and the ni##er dog,,,
    the retirement of his double grandson the pit general and his predecessors,,,
    and just a stones throw on the black henry phenotypes...
     
  11. O.S.O. NAS

    O.S.O. NAS Big Dog

    Gary need a good job focusing on the bottom side of ChAlliagot n family yes yes he did Its worked well for him. Yet totally different dogs then what Was build via focusing on niggers side. I can't speak for everyday but I am glad some focused one way while others focused other ways it allows me to shift a little more this or that way if needed. Was eyeing one from Gary yet it's bring a blend I'm unsure I want to be introducing into what is here now But hey maybe One of GHs will pop up that says Me. Still may just to bring the genes together again but like I said I think I am going to one of them white coat dogs being that the last few breedings were to build more nigger dogs and we did that. E. Gotta love that one could write many a story about many of them and no one would know if it were true or just another story as they opened the door that had one THINKING often while one thought on is they were on that. Great Read.
     
  12. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I like the way your thinking here Nas with the white dog and I would say go for it.It should shows diversity.Good luck and keep me posted.
     
  13. O.S.O. NAS

    O.S.O. NAS Big Dog

    Figured Can't hurt and His blending will be my own first outside the fam so It will be awhile new book of understanding and gathering ahead in any direction. If this male from Spain can't make it in time Back up is awaiting. Knowing me I will get to that day and say eh don't change what ain't broke but this new build is for my Son n I. Thanks Nothing's set yet but time n tests will show Us.
     
  14. rebeard

    rebeard Big Dog

    george saddler matched mayfields lithing into tudors ch spike i belive jim wimberly handled ch spike
     
  15. rebeard

    rebeard Big Dog

    hey bama thanks for replys i hear you loud an clear and know your not a hater,, i just cant help myself when i see people remark negative on mayfeild in public ,,been too much to long by most times people not fit to clean his yard it has to be engaged there bullshit dont help our breed or people trying to learn which is the future of the breed , but no disrespect intended to you fella ,,,
    the henry dogs were regarded as the hardest most killing strain in usa they were also the heaviest of the english breeding in america,, tudors favourite dog was almost pure henry black jack jr but he only had a degree of henry left in his main dibo line <chicago dolly> and as prevuisly stated he would cross his dibo line back to the diffrent lines within it ,its a lesson in linebreeding were a hybrid line is taken back to the purest lines in its make up,, this produces outstanding dogs ,the dibo line is an english/irish hybrid line ,,the best of those lines ,, the ch goldie dog we talked on is the rednose irish blood,, the nearest to a henry dog from tudors later stuff was pit general his look build ways etc but truth is he was an english /irish line crossed to more irish in goldie ,,,tudor did cross the dibo line his mainline back to the last of the henry blood <tex of elmhurst>and this produced gr ch white rock an ch cry baby two badasses,, ch cry baby is the bitch that mayfeild left with floyd boudreux with a belly full of pups floyd said they all died but his dogs turned into henry "looking" dogs over night,let those with eyes see,,, on the subject of color ,,white is not a color forget whitedogs every white dog shows pigment on skin fur somewere this is the dogs genetic color so a white dog with a brindle patch is a brindle dog an it would be brindle dogs of that line you didnt like ,,white is just a gene that suppress color don knew an understand this so cant imgagine him talking agaist white dogs but hey i wernt there with your convo,,americans have to understand ,,this is an english breed,, the national breed of england they have also been in ireland for centuries were talking thousands of years they are ancient breed of dog the only true lines to come to america were brought by irish and english first english into sw then irish an english in ne a few hundred years later, what america did was create a new hybrid line mixing the english blood from sw america with the irish an english imports in ne america thats the" american "pitbull 100% uk an ireland genes ,,some in usa tried to keep there lines straight like the english dominant feely /henry dogs others kept them to there irish blood shiply /lighter etc ,,if you look at people like jp colby he was crossing those english to irish dogs and creating selling monsters ,, breeding is not a new subject,, mayfeild altho a trailblazer was like tudor extremly traditional in his breeding tekneeks the way the breed has always been bred,, it was the pepsi generation peddlers that said otherwise very easy to trick a market full of greenhorns but ancient eyes were watching close from the old islands and paying attenion to who was who years later specialy trained druid jedis were sent to collect the best maintained of our ancient breed and bring them home to the holy islands were they remain in tact ha ha i digress ,,,,

    ps black jack jr and pit general were regarded by tudor and mayfield as once every 50 years type dogs
     
  16. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Enjoyed the read rebeard and thanks.Yea I've defended ole Don a few times on this board and I'm pretty sure we were both on the same side lol.No hater here beard.
     
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  17. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua

    Bama, that is the same shit rebeard being spewing in chat for 10 years. LMAO
     
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  18. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Lmao I know right ! Ive talked with beard on this subject more than once and I guess it came off wrong what I said on this thread.lol ..its all good.
     
  19. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Keystone and I got to know each other on this site, I know some of you couldn't understand him because of the language barrier.Myself included but I kept talking to key and got to where I could understand him for the most part lol.He was trying to teach me about the Spike blood in Holland which came down from GH stock if i remember correctly.Anyway he sent me a ped one day and asked me what do i see and said Hammonds ..He said NOOOO one more time for you Bama itd the Spike genes ..Then it clicked and i am like yea i get it , Spike is a dog that was born in Holland and made a name for himself as a producer..It finally clicked.But yep i did learn something from Keystone.
     
  20. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I just brought that up , as we all know Key is a big Don M fan..thought it kinda fit the thread.
     

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