Heinzl Dogs

I have to ask you who the fuck are u that u can say what is what?
U two fucks have never seen a dog u just read and regurgitate what u hear! So u would know shit. And u never even Ben to this country!!

 

Now I end the night with. Prove what u have is real u lying pice of shit.
All u have is the word of a man that is none to lie so he can get money.

My grandad never tried to sale one dog.
How many have u sold?

Shit show me a dog stuck to somthing!

You can't the two of u have only fed dogs and only don that for less than 6 years.
I say put up or shut up!

 

This dog is completely fake out of dogs that NEVER existed from breedings that never happened. ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [469171] :: EU.CREAM OF THE CROP

Also if you don't go on peds online or post peds why did you just claim you posted a ped for someone else ? and how would all your dogs that end up on there you know the heinzl dogs that no one else knew existed how could someone else enter a pedigree of a dog they didn't know.

Also you claim on one of the eugenics council pedigrees and I quote (I was in a oobliette from 98-08 so didn't know peds online existed until 2011 so this blood is a part of history that was untold and kept in the yard of one family bred and used by the same family of men. only one dog has ever been let out the family first and only one went to a good man in N.Y. )

Now let me ask you this if You did not know peds online existed until 2011 why did you have a website peddling kershner dogs under the handle soldierhomekennel in 2008 ?

You can't keep up with the lies you tell that's the problem with people who tell so many lies.

ok let's break this ped down of cream of the crop anny or annie as you have her listed was never bred back to scorpio Therefore scorpion recluse miss scorpio are all dogs that NEVER existed so this ped is complete bs and it can be proven You also claim to have campaigned him again more lies.You can play internet dogman all day and make big claims but the fact is you can't back said claims up.

Your female cleo that you somehow acquired from rod was sterile and you never got pups from her you can lie all you like won't change anything fact is she died and a year later you attempted to claim she had pups.

You showed a brindle dog as being from but not and cleo but in another thread you claimed the same dog to be from a heinzl breeding from all that old blood that was supposed to have been in your family for years.
Anyone on the board who seen those posts of yours will remember that too.

 

Thanks for the input. I'm always amazed that people like to talk about what they think happened or what they heard. If you weren't involved in the deal and you have no idea what he told me. The fact is the guy lied to me he misrepresented the parents of the dog and just did bad business in general. I cannot bring myself to debate with you what you " think" Charlie did or didn't do.
As to my understanding, I'm not well-versed on those advanced techniques of recognizing jeans and breeding cold bitches and dogs that can't stand up because they have such bad genetic faults . I was just taught that you breed best to best within your family and you make across when you see something you like. Call me old-fashioned if you like. Anyway I think Charlie just tried to make back some of the money he had spent at the expense of his integrity.
He knows what happened and he knows he owes me money that's the bottom-line. And by the way I never said anything about him having said he match those dogs he told me those dogs were proven. When he pulled up with those six-month-old plus puppies in the crate and they were just curled up together loving on each other I looked at my partner and told him we were making a mistake I should've let him drive back up to Indiana with them. But one thing you said is right I definitely learned a lesson from it. Thanks again for sharing your opinion of what you think was said and what happened, those of us that where they are actually know.

 

Show me your proof Cleo was sterile!

Peds for the dogs I got from rod and Ike were up they sent them to me!

Lol the peds were posted in 11 I was in prison 08. Lol

And as of Scorpio was shown by Howard who I was with at the time!
And Annie was not on rods yard she was on blunts yard and she was bred to Scorpio. Like I said we have the pic and the ped on the pups.
Lol no Internet dog man here buddy !

Now u say lies the black dog I posted was out of Cleo , the hinzel blood was red red nose so u can stop with the lie.

Show me how u know when my dog died? ( Cleo) tell me when she died.. And I'll show u a pic dated after.. Man U Liston to gar lol u only repeat what ur told.

I told gar she was dead to him yes( this means he would never see anything off her).

Lol but I'm so glad that you can tell me about my dogs and u have never seen me or any of my dogs!

 

Hi shane , as i said i can understand you feel you wasted your money ,but if charlie told you the parents were good ,or whatever he told you, ,and your saying that they werent or at least it seems that your saying that, but as far as we know , ladylcuk took her death and i think charlies email to key is on here in in the ways or proving thread in dog discussions, and a;ltohugh she died in three minutes or whatever it was , its seems form the guys that were there that they were impreesed with both females.As for bolt, i have poersonally talked many times with the guy who got him and another aligator bithc from charlie , and he certainley didnt want to sell them and didnt have anytihng bad to say about bolt, so imnot sure were the misreprentation of bolt and ladylcuk comes into this.

i agree maybe charlie having spent good money wanted to recoup some of it by selling you soem dogs, but im not surewhy you are complaining about it when at the time from what i heard you were happy with the dogs and even wanted to breed the noa dog ,before he died ,so yes i understand your unhappy, but if everyone who bought a dog that didnt turn out good ,felt that he or she had been ripped off , then about 99%of all dogs bought by folks would be calling the guy they got them exactly what your calling charlie , and im not sure he deserves that in the least.

Now as for yuor sarcastic remark ABOUT HOPW YOU WERE TOLD TO BREED ,AND HOW TO BREED TO A COLD BITCH , well in anideal world shane only deadgame dogfs would be bred right? unfortunatley that dont happen and if they were deadgame they would be dead so not much good when there dead lol, but when you have an understanding of genes and im sure there was a reason you bought the dogs , or was it just for the pretty pedigrees they had ? but if you understood breeding ,then my statement that i hoped you had at least bred the pure aligator female as that blood pure like you got from charlie is hard to find, and better breeders than you and me have bred cold bithes and dogs ebcause they were bred right, and that inlcudes earl tudor ,and i for one wouldnt have the balls to tell him he was wrong , hell if it wasnt for the cld bithc heinzls bambi we woudlnt have had dibo and that family of dogs he produced , and the rest as they say is history .

By the way i assume the dog that couldnt stand up was the noa dog, in which case why did you buy him? and if after you bought him why did you want to breed him if he couldnt stand up? that would seem not very good on your part ,as it would mean you were breeding an inferior dog knowingly which would make you someone who also didnt have a lot of integrity either if you wanted to do that before the dog died , and if i remmebr he died around nine months old as you claimed origianlyy althoguh you later changed that story, so that means you wanted to try and breed a puppy , which smacks of peddler to me , or a super rank begginer at best.

 

Cleo was sterile as rod had been breeding her for years just like a few other females bred like her like and alexis and they never produced anything and neither did but not.

Now you claim you were with the person who showed scorpio well you originally stated on peds online that you yourself showed him.
here it is for anyone in doubt i will quote it (Scorpio was bred on M.I. Battendorf\'s yard and campaigned by eugenics council,
Was left with the Greek after his 4th win.)

That states something entirely something different again proves you to be a liar.

And I'm not listening to anyone I watch you post on the board and as someone with a photographic memory I can remember every little detail of things that you post and how you have changed your story so many times
Annie was never bred to scorpio those dogs never existed. and You were not even around the forum until around 09 or 10 but you had a website up peddling either before or around that time which again proves you were on peds online

This is your original account correct > View Profile: soldierhomekenne - Pit Bull Forums

I ask you again if you had not heard of peds online until 2011 how were you posting dogs quite some time before that and peddling dogs.

Anyone can click on your profile on soldierhomekennel and see you posted peds in 2010 of dogs you then owned or claimed to own how is it possible to somehow be subscribed to a paid website and posting peds if you didn't know it existed at that time ?.

Again with this dog why did you claim to have a dog from a breeding which never happened ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [426187] :: (EU) MELCHIZEDEK you said on this board in one of the old threads that you owned this dog how can you own a dog from a breeding which never happened ?

Popeye had been on another yard for years before you came around so why would shine ask you to post a fake ped of that dog under your name when you never had anything to do with those dogs ?
Doesn't make sense does it.
The difference between a lie and the truth is that the truth can be proven true where as your lies can't be proven so all you can do is try to divert questions or change the subject but you can't change the truth.

I have no personal grudge against you but when you lie to people online and fake peds then people need to know the truth. I mean when you claim to have had dogs from mayfield's little cotton and all that old blood it's pretty obvious how full of shit you are.Now some things become hard to prove for people who have not been around for long since don is dead and rod is dead.

But like i said before anyone who knows those dogs or used to speak to rod and the people who had his dogs will know you are lying.
The woman who had popeye and lock can easily verify that she never had any dogs out of them so yet again it can be proven that you are a liar.

Trying to call me names or insult me somehow won't change the truth this is not about me I have called you a liar and posted proof.
There has been so much bs with those dogs from kershner i was hoping someone would do right by them but they just seem to attract liars and peddlers which will be the downfall of any line of dogs unfortunately

 

Like I have said to you a dog makes it's ped
When u have time come see me I can show you what ever u need to see.
Sorry if u feel my dogs are a lie and I don't care if u or anyone thinks that!
I do know u can come see what they are about anytime. Shit I'll send u one if u want.. If ur a dog man papers don't matter.
Then you can add your papers over it and call it what ever u would like.
Yours in sport
EC

 

I don't post on peds online I do not have an account.

 

Cik, you have no idea what you are taking about. You are regurgitating Charlie's words. If you don't have anything to do with it I don't care to hear your speculation about what happened. There is enough of that on here without adding more.

 

That's all he can do Shane , he has never put a dog down . Not one time and he wouldn't.
And his friend just repeats him..

 

Gillian what alligator/mayfield dogs have you owned?

 

They will never understand because all they care about is how the dog is papered they feel if their papers are better the dog is better. See they wouldn't put that dog down or any dog because " it's bred to tight " it's brood . Shit every dog and every pups is the best of the best and will give u pit generals if u breed them together.
They are calling me a lie over some peds posted on a website that anyone in the world could make a ped on.
But what's bad is they never seen one dog they talk about only pic. And what men that don't do anything tell them.

 

How does the old Joe Corvino saying go? " a dog never left Texas with a correct pedigree".. ? I think that's close to it.. For me what so many chasing "pure" dogs miss is that it isn't the pretty pedigree that makes it pure it's the dog himself. He proves himself in the box not on paper.

 

Ok here's the thing the only one talking about papers is you i simply called you out on fake peds.

You keep changing the story here is another one
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [484707] :: EUGENICS COUNCIL NIGERINA You claim to own this female.A female which never existed because pandora only ever had 1 pup so that right there is another lie and then under offspring you claim to have a dog from a bitch that never existed bred back to a son.

ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [384782] :: EUGENICS COUNCILS NIGERINO OF NIGGER this never happened.
Nigerino was long dead before you got pandora.

another fake ped on the same dogs
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [415706] :: BLACK OUT...


You can say what ever you like and try to play nice and act all innocent but the fact is all this just proves you are a liar.I have showed so many examples of your lies and all you can do is change the subject please explain the above peds to me,

I don't like calling someone out like this it gives me no pleasure but the fact that you are studding dogs out with complete fake peds has to be exposed.

 

ace 1 you rood the ped of noah ...then you closed your ey's .....and thought this can't go wrong ...pup could hardly stand on four legs
bought the dog ...
you where warned .........

 

Realistic,
I don't have to explain shit to you!
None of the dogs u talk about ever had peds only a mans word. So u prove they are wrong.
How do you know when I was around? How do you know how many pups pandora had??
She was on my yard and I do not recall u being there.

Also I ask how do you know if and when any of the dogs you talk about ever died??
I have to ask because u pick and choice to believe only what u want.
You u say I'm a lie about breeding a dog but I tell you the truth when they die... Well it don't work that way u don't pick and choice to believe what u want, to make you feel better. If a person is a lier then they lie all of the time

Next I do not know were u get that I have a dog at stud... I DO NOT LET ANY OF MY BLOOD OUT!!! So I have never offered anything up for stud.. And never will.

So prove me wrong. Prove that them dogs do not exist.. Show me a pic of any if the dogs u talk about.. And I mean a pic of it that is not on the Internet.. You can't because u have never seen them.

Look man quit trying to talk about shit you don't know about!
And prove me wrong in the with the dogs.

If any person questions my dogs after they see them. At that time I will let them see the pic of the sire and dam, pic of the stick that made them and a pic of the pups on the bitch. I ask you can u do this?

See the problem in our world today is men like I have to bicker with on here,
If men will worry about them selfs more that what the next person is doing are dogs would not be in the predicament they are in today.
A person will look up to one person and take his word as truth.. A theory is not truth it's a one sided opinion.
Think for yourself don't let other men control you.

Just put your theory in reality.. You say I'm a lie, a theft , and a crook!
But you have never spoke to me, or seen me! So how could you ever come to this conclusion ?
You say I lie, this gos to what I said above you have never seen me, or spoke to me to say in a lie.

You say I'm a theft.. How is this ?? Because u say someone that never seen me or been around me has told you a story they heard from men that are high on drugs, and proven lies told u about me?? Lol

A crook.. Sorry u have nothing I would need ( it's you that is worried about what I do or do not have). Also a person can only do to you what you allow them to do. .. I do not trust anyone!! This is a ruff sport can't have many friends.
Well with this said I hope you can see there is no way to know any thing about me if u have never had a chance to base an opinion about me.

Look gar has Brutus and he has to make money off the breedings to him. So no one can have anything better, or he will not make his $$$$ right.
I know Brutus was not producing I have pic of the the bitches stuck to him, me and shine ...
I also had the sister to Brutus, she was a cur!
This all hurts him because he could never get anything from me.. This make me the bad guy,so try to trash me and my name.

It's all good because papers don't make a dog good, it's the man that breeds them ... Call my dogs what u want, and you can say they are bred how ever u want this is your story I'm just in it.
When ever you are done come see me I'm not hard to find.

 

Ps. When you become a real man your dogs will prove them selfs in the [] and papers don't matter, only the dogs performance!
Yours in sport

 

Shane,
I grew up in the same town as the men that owned Vito, and stay 2 block from him now. I've had so many of them it's hard to start... But I went to prison in 99 and didn't get back out until 08. So the men that you hear talking only came into this family when I was locked up they never seen an alligator dog other than in pic before 99.
Lol.
I just let them talk I have fun on here.
But I will answer your question with the dogs they are talking about.
Cleo, but-not, pandora , spookie, scorpion,brown recluse, and all the offspring off them. I did not get papers with pandora, or spookie.
And if u ask anyone they will say I never bred any of them.

 

So to any man on here that wants to take someone's word for what kinda man I am and call the man that owns Vito and ask him about me!
See Shane into days game it's always best to play a fool... I went away for a few years and coming back with dogs is hard and to trust men is even harder.
So I sat back and Liston to the bullshit the " mayfield breeders talk" even posted a few pic of my Scorpio dogs, they all would say, "we don't like brasken dogs , or they are long leg gene, I like short leg dogs, or the best yet I don't like kershner dogs. Now when they see that line on paper it's looks good. Lol
Every " mayfield " breeder hates me.. All because I show their for what they are.
And I feed way more family bred dogs than them. Lol shit I have heavy bred bullyson dogs, red boy, tab , jessi rod, dogs i have bred each family with a way better working back ground than any of this shit they talk about.
Shit I have the dog that beat he ch. stepper .lol
Yours in sport