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APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by JBL, Jan 31, 2014.

  1. JBL

    JBL Big Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Here's a pic of an old photo of a stud dog I had, he was one of the largest bull terriers I have known, from Kilacabar's Ch Nosrettap Celtic Star.
     
  2. Chris S

    Chris S Pup

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]A few pics of some EBT's from California


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  3. JBL

    JBL Big Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Nice lean dogs.

    Anyone know of an English bull terrier being any good on a spring pole? In my experience they can't hold their own bodyweight for too long, but then I've always had dogs weighing 60lbs.
     
  4. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    ..tl...ya have to all so understand that each area,had it's own idea what a bulldog/bull-baiting dog/pit-dog.. Should look like...what some one in cork/ireland or madrid spain,,,will be completely different to what some in the black county might call a cross/etc/etc..or to heavy.../etc/etc...ya only have to look at the skulls in the n-museum of bulldog's/bait-dog's...so what's in a name...what about those who did not agree and did not register there dog's..../etc/etc///the avatar in d-roads ,,could be by atken/or one such...it is off a bull-bait picture....
     
  5. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    jbl...ya have answered your own q..
     
  6. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    ..tl....(blue-paul)..did ya leave something out about the regiment who were given the dog+from who...????...
     
  7. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    good stuff tigerlines- that is how i hvae read it also - freom some sources
    b8b n bama - - many familys and types that all seem to be in the mix some setter, pointer, and hound.
    shit - some of them bullys have to have some beagle in em - well i think anyway -different strokes - different folks -
    most of us know what we like and like what we have -
     
  8. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    A lot of good information and history thanks for sharing tigerlines
     
  9. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Nice looking EBT XLR8.
     
  10. Tigerlines

    Tigerlines Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Show the evidence,the bulldog on record by multiple authors, in multiple places at multiple times fits the same description,as does the Pit bull and terrier.Bull baiting was banned across the Kingdom by 1835, but fell away in most parts of the British Isles well before this,but for a few places.

    Is the Gas house dog the Galtie dog and the Pilot dog all so different to your eye?

    Is the boxer the bulldog and the mastiff so different to your eye?

    The dogs of Madrid and Spain descend from British bulldogs as shown in the H.R Voss article,they attacked the bull by the ear hold in groups,weighed up to 100lb each,UNLIKE the British bulldog bred to specifically bait the bull single handed by the snout hold,at a fraction of the weight,far harder and longer than anywhere else on earth.

    Cork in Ireland was a British province, Bull baiting was introduced to Ireland by the English in the time of Oliver Cromwell.

    Bulldog skulls in the natural museum show what and when?(ive seen them) (list the dates of the skulls) and we can discuss them.

    Whats in a name? its truth and history.

    I know what Dusty roads avatar is, who painted it, and their words, i asked him if he knows.

    The regiment dog is stated English bull ancestry.
     
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  11. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    ..baiting of animals was done all over well before...cromwell..the only thing he brought to ireland....is his death squads...(spit on his name)...lol....proof ya look at it,,can't ya see the different sizes in bait dog's...in the old pic's/prints...true the smaller dog was and did turn out more popular....but it's like some like/liked them at different sizes,not talking about giant's...i not here to argue history with ya..the dog b-paul was gifted to the regiment by who...did not the butchers of the time use their english mastifs to catch..
     
  12. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    I look it like this if we started today breeding wolves and we didn't manipulate them in anyway 10 yrs from now what would you have ? OK let's say today we started breeding bulldogs and didn't manipulate them in anyway in 10 years what would you have ?
     
  13. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Depends on your breeding principles. Every dog is different just like everyone's outlook.the picture with j.mallen and the dogs of those dogs clearly show the differences in type from the get go. Anyone have a digital copy handy to paste?
     
  14. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    McCoy u see where I was going with that ? my point is you breed 2 wolves together your going to get wolves every dam time.You breed 2 bulldogs together and your not going to get all bulldogs ! Now sometimes you may ! So that tells me that this breed is man made because if they were not they would breed true! But it's just not the case.I don't know what all is in this great breed called the APBT but I do believe they were created by man and they are very dependent of man for survival.
     
  15. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    I agree. And I'd was actually Mullen I think..the picture. Was mistaken
     
  16. Tigerlines

    Tigerlines Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    List them so we can all see.

    None of the skulls in the natural history museum are from bull baiting dogs or from the bull baiting period.

    Bulldog skull from Spain descended from "Great English dogs","Burgos plaque 1625" which breed does it resemble?
    http://www.frenchbulldogclubnsw.asn.au/origin.html

    If you want to compare pit bull dogs:

    ADBA standard

    B. Balance

    1. Equal angulation of front and rear assembly - judged best at the trot.

    2. Height to weight ratio - the tallest dog at a given weight


    PRE KC points of identity

    Height;16-18inch

    weight; 28-34lb

    Colbys Primo(animal the Staffordshire Terrier standard is drawn from)

    Height; 18inch

    Weight; 40lb at one year old.

    Arthur Heald,never registered his dogs yet his own words posted earlier in the thread explain what an original pit bull and terrier is.

    Henry Melling,from Preston,Manchester,bred the famous westall strain,acknowledged by all as a "dead game" fighting strain of pit bull and terrier from Lancashire. His family where old butchers,that could prove their family breeding of pit bull and terriers to 1850 minimum.He was an original Stafford breed club member,and produced Rum bottle, hyena, Lioness,Arrogant lad,and Tough Guy to name but a few.

    Jack webster of Wigin never registered his dogs and publicly claimed to own "the only true ye old staffords in all England" with a wager for anyone to come match his blood. Their were no takers.

    Oliver Cromwell ruthlessly exterminated baiting sports across the empire(including Ireland).

    Bull baiting was introduced in Irish cities by the butchers guild, from England after Cromwell.

    Cork doesnt have any baiting comparable to the black country and no where else on earth does.


    Red nosed dogs are "Dudley" nosed, the Irish made up the majority population of "Dudley" during the dog fighting era.
     
  17. Tigerlines

    Tigerlines Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    Bama, it doesnt mean the breed is man made,it means as a mammal it will breed true,but sex and performance are polygenic.
     
  18. Tigerlines

    Tigerlines Banned

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    List then so ill understand.

    The skulls arent of bull baiting dogs or from the bullbaiting period.

    Its true history and true identity are what is in its name.

    I know who painted the picture, im asking if you know the words of the artitist on the dogs at the time?
     
  19. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    The skulls were said (not-all)to have been found at known bait site's...list what...???do ya want me to start pasteing this history of this an that....you know who done the picture ,,that's great but so what/???...what's that got to do with dog's been of different sizes..whats in a name,,,,is there all jus bulldogs....one more thing artist's were known to exarurate their painting's spec;animals..
     
  20. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    Re: APBT blood in "old time" Staffordshire bull terriers

    800px-Donkey-baiting.jpg 792-201463102436_original.jpg 655-2014321161139_468x382.jpg 19th CENTURY BULL TERRIER CALLED SKEETS.jpg date 1878.jpg example of diff;size dog,inc;bulldogs
     

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