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The Staffordshire must remain a multi-purpose dog

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by bulldogkennel, Aug 6, 2012.

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  1. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Don't get me wrong ox, I ain't insulted at all. I just don't understand why its so hard for people to understand a simple term such as game. Its not rocket science. I read most of this thread and just don't get why it's such a hard thing to define. Some things can't be learned from a book, one has to witness it first hand to really understand what people mean by the word game. You want a real good laugh go read the what's your definition of game thread... lol
     
  2. Oxstaf

    Oxstaf Big Dog

    ha cant face it already got a headache ...
     
  3. bulldogkennel

    bulldogkennel Banned

    Hello, I repeat for the umpteenth time that the tag does not tell us whether a dog is game. So I'm not saying that a dog that passes this test is game, only that the dog that passes this test is hard, resistant to pain and wants to face a direct threat.

    The test is done in private because the Italian animal rights organizations are very aggressive and less public tests, photos or videos spread means less problems for the future.

    Now no one wants to remove the primacy of the pit for the game and we all agree in saying that there are more challenging test tan the TAG... but in Italy, and I believe in much of the world, is now illegal to test the Bulldog's in the box. Now, between doing nothing and doing a test that confirms at least three important characteristics of a bulldog (sociality, toughness and combativeness) I prefer to take the test. For the rest, each person is free to think the this test is stupid and useless ... This is not my problem.

    I'll be happy to accommodate everyone who wants to do the test at his dog, and if the dog passes the test to give the official IKC certificate. Not need to prepare your dog because the test evaluate the genetic characteristics of the dog and not those learned through training.

    Best regards
     
  4. trampus

    trampus Banned

    You have not got a clue man
     
  5. Fly

    Fly Pup

    Looks like both are illegal, for sure both not accepted by public, so why tag in stead of the box?

    How can you ask from us to understand the TAG test if you can't show and discribe what it is.
     
  6. Finito

    Finito Big Dog

    You don't describe the test. You mention wrong publicity in your country not being wanted,yet here youare putting details & awards up. Everything bar what it entails. I don't know if it is through embarrassment or not ?
    This is not discreding you or your dogs but you put plenty of info on the board regarding your dogs,club etc & i am curious as to what the test is.
    Last but not least,i cringe at the thought of a stafford having PP training.
     
  7. Joe Black

    Joe Black Banned

    TAG you're it
     
  8. Bluedog

    Bluedog Big Dog

    wolverines are BAMF. They can and do go after wolves and bears, crazy fuckers
     
  9. blueboy

    blueboy Big Dog

    Bulldog kennel. i'm sure I see somewhere where you say 70/80 or more % fail this tag test. So my question to you is What do you do with your dog's that fail your test?
     
  10. trampus

    trampus Banned

    They get flogged off to the next buyer....the tag test involves to electric wires and a switch
     
  11. bulldogkennel

    bulldogkennel Banned

    The TAG is legal (or better said no law still prohibits it) but animal rights activists are trying to ban all sports activities with dogs. Even the simple lure coursing has been criticized in Italy. We have ,as IKC, been threatened with lawsuits because we wanted to organize a tug of war contest... because for the animal rights idiots this simply sport is a "training" for combat!

    Returning to the Tag I laughed reading that is done with electric current.

    x blueboy: A dog that does not pass the tag, can be given to companionship, or even be used in breeding if it has other useful characteristics for breeding.
     
  12. zuidwest

    zuidwest Big Dog

    But not used under ikc that is then?
     
  13. bulldogkennel

    bulldogkennel Banned

    Sorry my friend, but my English is bad and I do not understand what you wrote!
     
  14. zuidwest

    zuidwest Big Dog

    you said that if they didn pass the tag test that they still can be used is was wondering if they would still be bred under the ikc or under a different registration.
     
  15. blueboy

    blueboy Big Dog

    So what's the point of doing and having these tag test's or any kind of test. If you are going to use a failure for breeding. Testing of any kind mean's seeing if a dog is or isn't up to the level required to be worthy of breeding from.
     
  16. bulldogkennel

    bulldogkennel Banned

    The IKC recommended to pair two dogs in possession of the TAG or to pair one dog without the TAG only with another that has the Tag. Same thing for the Endurance Test...

    However in other types of test breeders mate dogs that have quit or stopped ... we are not the only ones to do it but we have learned from the masters of the "box test".

    In fact, many excellent pit producers come from these kind of dogs.

    Ultimately It's up to the individual breeder to decide how and why pair his dogs.
     
  17. trampus

    trampus Banned

    Its nonsense, what your test will do will not help the breed either test the old style...or keep them for shows or pets... your test is meaningless
     
  18. Roveros

    Roveros Pup

    I had an bred staffords here in Australia. Imported one from the UK as a stud so i am not a novice. The term multi purpose is an oxymoron. The breed is now bred for no purpose and then gets involved in different activities none of which it was bred for. Staffords make fantastic pets as they for the most part have wonderful temperaments as a family pet.

    However they are no longer a sporting breed and haven't been for a long time. Unless fanciers match and breed the best fighters in the breed then it will not improve its sporting qualities. Why would they bother? Even after quite a bit of selective breeding the end result would most likely be something that resembles a pitbull in form and character. it would of been easier to start with a Pit in the first place.

    Staffords are pets and good ones at that. Don't try and make anyone who knows better believe otherwise
     
  19. trampus

    trampus Banned

    I agree except they are a breed with no purpose.... they are show dogs and pets... they as you said make great pets, and top show dog
     
  20. 12 gauge

    12 gauge CH Dog

    some people bother because they care, its been said a thousand times over on this forum. resembling a pitbull? weren't they the same breed/pitdogs to begin with in body and mind? so what's the problem?
    Australia has very good bull arabs but i have not heard or seen an impressive staffords from there, although i can't generalise, then i'll be making the same mistake others make when they say staffords are solemnly pets.
    you and others talk about american pitbull terriers as if they were all the ultimate and flawless breed. this kind of attitude and ideal is what's making this almost ruined breed worse. you could have 50 years experience but it doesn't mean squat if you don't do the right thing with the breed. "the more i learn the less i realize i know"
     
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