working staffordshire bull terriers

These facts may be true for you. But they are not true for me. I dont need to look 5-6 generations to find honest working dogs! Hell I dont even need to look a single generation backwards...

 

I was talking about peddling, not about your dogs, majority of staffords are bred by pedlars, 1000th's of staffords bred on beanie / psycho blood. But only a few of them have the luck to look a single generation backwards.

Think the big difference is that if you can look a single generation backwards you have dogs like the famous once, if you have to look several generations backwards most of them you can't compare with the real onces.

You don't see me wrinting there are non, i only write they are hard to find because there are not much. Think a very small % of the stafford are bred out of proven dogs.

 

I am with you. Even tough I am in sweet spot, and only need to look 1-2 generations for the really famous dogs. I personally think the key is to forget all about those names! Only thing that matters is to breed proven working dogs togheter. The key is the buyers, as long as they keep buying these carppy dogs with fancy stories the shit will keep going.

 

In this one im also with you. But what i was trying to say before stafford vs apbt. A big disadvantage for the stafford breed against de apbt breed is that almost every country in the world has more sererious apbt breeders (working stock) than there are serious stafford breeders all over the world (working stock).

I'm not saying the top staffords can't compete with the good apbt. What me was told it happens that a stafford sometimes is better than his component. But disatvantage is shortage of serieus stafford (working) people. As i said before i think there will be made more gamebreedings with apbt in every country in one year then there are made gamebreedings with staffords all over the world in one year.

 

Is any body else strugling to follwo all this? LOL

 

I have both....in 98% of cases there is zero comparison....period....the Apbt is the perfect bulldog...I love my SBT but....it ain't close

 

fair enough, but a good stafford for me is a working one, that's what i meant. if you breed with the 6th gen alone in mind one is a dumbass, but if you as a buyer dont do your homework and buy into it, you are dumber and deserve to be had.
i dont know what is good for you, but there are good staffords that can compete with any apbt lb per lb. there are more than a handful of staffords of this caliber or more than an yard full of apbt in america as you imply.

 

where are these SBT...in England or Europe ?

 

is this your first sbt? and how many apbt's have you had?

you can count with one hand how many staffords are working out of the breeder your dog came from. true and not another hypothesis people on here seem to use very often

 

if you are bold enough to make this assumption, you must know where there arent staffords like these

 

Genuine work could be as far as the bottom of the ladder to the top regarding who is comparing it. Until you understand & see that genuine work you will always be unbeknown.
What i do see is more & more lads focussing on certain lines & then ignoring a fresh input. It is clear that the Beanie line is the more productive & has been for many a yr,but there is other out there. Question is would you taint that fancy Beanie ped with other blood which would keep it going ?
Other than two males out there without Beanie blood i would discard
everything else & blend them together.
Far better than inbreeding inferior stock for gen upon gen & ignoring them dogs structure & lack of quality.
You know who i am on about & it ain't OTR

 

was the op asking about working staffords in the uk or was he asking if there are more working apbt than there are working staffords?? was he asking if apbt are better than staffords?? take all this apbt are better than stafford shit and stick it up your ass!!

 

hahaha, couldnt agree with this any more, people give up too easily, thats why the very little we have to work with its turning to be worse.

another hypothesis lol, lets say there are 3 million bulldogs in the US, maybe 100-300 thousand are worth feeding, that means over 2 million arent worth a shit and still are bred and thought to be the best breed created regardless of strain (and i'm not talking about bullies here), that's a whole lot of shitty dogs produced from well known dogs, for it to be considered the creme of the crop.

 

you know what, whoever thinks that there isnt any good working staffords, go and get what you think is better and worth it. go and check if the grass is greener on that side

 

You took the words out of my mouth ..I'm told I can't read but the same person goes right back to the same tired shit after the OP reinerates that he has no interest in APBT comparisons.If you can FLY ,stay on topic when replying to someone's thred.If yer that stuck on APBT stay on that side of the forum and stop pireting others shit.BTY I didn't say you claimed that every APBT was game bred I ased if that was your thought.What you pulled out o yer ass was your ratios and % of good staffords.

To doug85 if yer lookin for [] dogs in the UK they aren't going to jump out and answer you on a public forum.Specify what work your looking for, you might get a more favorable responce.

 

I am on #2 SBT but have been around many...I am on # 4 bulldog that is mine personally.My APBT is a very well bred mutt and my SBT is from private stock in the states....his blood originated with a woman who bred in England and moved to the USA.SBT are wonderful dogs...just a little limited in my experience in terms of performance,athletics as compared to APBT but of course there are exceptions.

 

How about a picture of the SBT? thanks

 

coach comparing a show line dog to a game bred bulldog is unfair. that lady you are refering to had two or three good bred staffords she came with from england, but that good line died the moment she started breeding them, because she had other things in mind but preserving the breed as it should be. i'd be honest i saw a yankeestaff dog not long ago working, that my jaw dropped and couldnt believe my eyes, he was a young buck too. this dog is one in 10,000 because of the breeding practices behind his pedigree. I wouldnt compare or dare to say this breed of dog is better than that, based on just few dogs. tom garner also produces dogs many people wouldnt feed including myself. so it goes both ways. another of the very few working dogs with the yankeestaff name behind it was sentinel exported to the other side of the pond. good working staffords are fewer in numbers compare to the apbt's but in no way non-existant like many choose to believe.

 

I have a Staffy/apbt cross and a pure apbt as house dogs, my little Staffy cross is pure fire that anyone who enjoys a good bulldog would be proud to have on their yard!

 

I know I feel ya for sure.....

http://www.game-dog.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23610&d=1329110536

There are some rough ones out there...this one is rough and likes it that way...Of course prey drive is all I can judge but I'm sure he would pass a game test if he went after badger/fox similar to what JR and such are judged by...awesome boy