Old irish staff

the dog in the back i think is bred from a dog i had bud

 

Why would you even want to own a staff when you can own a real bulldog and why anyone would want to import them into a country were you can legally own the real thing, as some pointed out earlier this forum is called ..............................................blue dogs make me laugh.:d

 

there's curs and good dogs (real deal like you said) in both worlds. it's not staff is called stafford. now if you are talking about the shit you see here in our US, then yes i have to agree with you. in other countries is a different story. i've owned both breeds and the staffords i've known dont lack in any department as their close cousins.

 

sorry have to disagree, staff, stafford its all the same you can not compare it to the real thing in the us or europe, of course there is the exception but as a whole no way, a dog or breed that excells at a game or field sports is not a working dog, even a police dog its a game to the cur thats all that its learnt since the day it was selected.
To have honour be classed as a working dog or bred the dogs must want to working when it is faced with a mountain of pain. Thats just my opinion.

 

have you owned a good stafford you can base your facts on? not the show excrement you see on webs. it'll be silly to think that only here in america; pitdogs have kept true to type and especially when they originated from england and exported to Ireland and the US. what makes you think they didnt have the same principles when selecting their stafford. these people are a bit reserved when it comes to talking about their acomplisments with their dogs and telling their business. i have owned both, and i also have my opinion.

 

12 guage, i think you just hit the nail on the head, irish dog men in general dont seem to shout to the rest of the world about their dogs, so understandably the rest of the world dont seem to rate them. i cant help but think there is a connection to be made between whats expected of working staffords in ireland and the attitude of irish dog men, in that these dogs were bred to work and "face a mountain of pain" in silence, making any noise at the quarry was seen as a weakness and of course the same can be said about men who feel the need to keep shouting about their buisness to the world. it seems to show weakness in character when people need to keep making noise, i think there is alot to be admired about these dogs and the men who live by them. just a thought

 

The Irish dog men dont keep staffords and havent done so in more than 20+years, APBT's have totaly replaced staffs on the sporting scene, my oppinion is staffordshire bullterrier is just a name the KC gave this breed they are all bulldogs, as them being English? there are match reports (before 1900) from every part of the british isles, the KC recognizing them was maybe the worse thing could happen them, the owners of staffordshires pre KC recognition... if the had a chance to breed to the likes of Gr.Ch."Zebo", they would'nt ?, do you think they would see him as a different breed ?..
except for the very few as a breed they just not as good as the APBT, , just my oppion...R

 

Have to agree the numbers of good 'staffords' are getting slimmer by the day and for those who are good, the APBT is a difference.
Nice time btw for this 1 how would you rate this dog ?
ONLINE PEDIGREES

 

he was around in the 1980's, game dog, good wind, easy to train, nothing much else..R

 

i really like a lot this boy, looks awesome

 

The dog above looks like the dad of my dog. He is supposed to be an American Stafford but it seems there has been messed with his papers so I don't know his true background.
Uploading pics doesn't seem to work right now so here is a link to that dog:
http://americanstafford.tk

And here you can see my dog:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1942883737381.2114898.1401108845

 

nice looking dogs but more a dog for weight pulling or the aframe.

 

That is just what a good linebred working stafford should NOT look like.
Those dogs are the peddled blue's.
He is posting this dog as a true 'psycho' bred dog while i have the pedigree at home it is KK breeding and the dogs that did do anything are in gen 6 and 7.
Dogs like beanie, milo, angel conan and such, that dog is pretty much starting to look like an am staff, jmo

 

Always the same confusion on Staffy lines, here's a pic of the 3 lines, PURE BREED in the middle the Irish line:

 

nice dogs jj.i think ontherocks comments on your dogs are invalid as we know these fine examples of the irish staffords are clearly in perfect proportion.i have a bitch like these at 52lbs at the moment as i dont work her to hard in hot weather

 

i agree.as i had a pair of patrick type dogs in the late 80s early 90s.i know the differences.yes kc dogs are only bred for what they look like and to hop on 1 leg.not for the outstanding physical qualities the have

 

would it be right to say certain irish types would have been desendents from the blue paul

 

The answer to that is no

 

The answer to that is no....R

 

quite possibly the most stupid post on this board EVER