Looking for a show quality show dog

12 Gauge,

Great looking animals and actions def speak louder than words. Yours move great. Do you breed?

 

i do B & T, I breed to better what i alredy got and to keep back a dog(s) i like. did my last breeding oct last year looking for a good bitch but none were born only males, one is here in Arizona the other male went to Europe to a man with vermin problems, lets hope they turn out as good or better staffords than his parents.

 

he said "muppet" ...well worded

 

Its always important to have a dog without major faults or you'll have limitations on his performance. APBT standard is to have the total package dog that excels in the main traits.

 

do you mean what it used to be the [] standard?
you would never know if a dog is good or not just because if fits the standard, "beauty follows performance" past champions, pits or staffords werent necessary beautiful or met the standard for that matter. I believe the dog needs to be a balanced one, mentally and physically. for instance, the stafford standard prefers a dog of 14-16 inch and 38 lbs, for me its very hard to accomplish balance in a dog that short with that kind of weight. Most staffords of the past were in the range of 17-19 inch and from 35-40 lbs, give or take, some of them earned their living, now the staffords of today cheat their way through living.
although fights are ilegal nowadays, there are plenty of activities that could test your stafford mentally and physically. short, fat and squatty staffords arent near what their creators had in mind. I dont support any standard, and never will bunch of bs to me, if not look at he new bully pits getting registered as american pitbull terrier, more than a disgrace is pathetic if you ask me among other miserable breeds as result of tree huggers.

 

the height size and weight ranges are nothing more than symantics, gameness is the only definable trait of a worth while stafford.and before any one claims rolling your stock and culling your stock is an illegal activity today , you should remember it has always been an illegal activity. Throughout these dogs history , that dilema has been faced by every breeder and preserver of a true stafford.

 

Really? if i understand your point right i got to disagree with you, but respect your opinion. I clearly stated " do you mean what it used to be the [] standard? as it happened in the past . I still believe without mental and physical balance, tenacity and heart is obsolete and useless, if not ask yourself why fighting dogs were involved in so rigorous training, they were game of course and many of them winners but all those atributes did not exempt them from being in top conditions.

 

...no my friend, gameness takes care of all your concerns....and my post was in general , not a specific reply to your post.

 

I couldnt agree more on the standard comment! And while I agree that gameness is a very important trait, if you look at a majority of the champions they follow a certain phenotype that doesnt resemble the short squat show staffs of today. There are always exceptions to the rule but I think balanced animals are more often than not the "winning" formula. And as said by 12 gauge. There are still legal venues to test a dogs performance, maybe not true gameness but performance under pressure non the less.

12 gauge, 17-19'' and fit is pretty much exactly the size dog i am looking for sometime in the future.

 

....bull and terrier, just to clarify , what type of ch are you refering to? and may i ask what these legal activities are that test performance under pressure?

 

Game champions of yesteryear.... And legal venues could range from Coyote hunting to hog catching.

 

...so you are saying game ch's of yesteryear wear predominantly 17 - 19 inch? ....and a coyote /hog hunting can in some way retain a level of gameness in the stafford?

 

Oh the beauty of gameness! can a 1/4 ton, 4X4, triton engine, 8-10 cylinder truck but without wheels and defective transmission haul anything?, why not! the power still there? just my philosophy

 

No and i quote ch's of yesteryear both Staff's and APBT's followed a phenotype which " doesnt resemble the short squat staffs of today". I only said that I personally prefer a dog in the 17-19'' range. Futher more I stated that these venues can tests a dogs performance under pressure but not "true gamness"...

 

...i will work your previous post out in a moment, until i do can you answer my previous post?

 

not literally gameness in coyote or hog hunting but it takes a good set of twins and a good dog to keep up either creatures. I've seen many pits down from gamest of the gamest ancestors and claim to be game themselves take off scare after the first serious encounter with a wild boar and much smaller vermin but I've also seen bt's with hearts of a lion holding down bad ass wild boars.

 

.....and these GAME pits, were proven game....?

 

read what i wrote again and you'll find the answer

 

....yes , you state game ancestery.....and claim to be game themselves,.....i stated PROVEN game.....

 

a lot of dogs claim to be proven game in the past, did I witness those? No, neither these ones I saw taking off on wild boar