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awesome non papered dogs..

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by okeefes pit boss, Feb 19, 2010.

  1. PurePit19

    PurePit19 CH Dog

    I'm not saying that a papered dog is better than a non papered dog. But a solid bulldog with accurate papers, is more important to me then a dog unregistered. You take 2 equal bulldogs, give one a nice hand written ped, and the other the exact same ped but printed on adba paper. I'll take the adba papered dog every time. That's just how I prefer the dogs on my yard to be. JMO
     
  2. redrumdog

    redrumdog Top Dog

    An old saying Dogs can't read.If u know how the dog is bred u don't need a fancy piece of paper saying so from a registry. I would rather have one hand written from the breeder.
     
  3. preme

    preme CH Dog

    first and last time i dealt with the reg thing i spend money o it 7 gen wat ever else they had to offer and come to find out one of the parents of my hound had hung peds , i still breed her after she deemed worthy and years later a old head told me the true ped on her and thank god i was breeding her to her line with lil outs and the shit clicked and she was breed better then a orignaly thought ,, so keep a honest eye becauseif you did witness the breeding you never know.

    ps
    and the guy i got the bitch of was my old partner and thats why his my old partner ...
     
  4. kera5

    kera5 Big Dog

    all i ever had was non-papered,but knew the breeder,untill today went to ALABAMA an got a pup off of CSK'S ''BOSS MAN''
     
  5. ohav4

    ohav4 Big Dog

    The easiest way to be found is through a paper trail....:)
     
  6. JoeyNzoey

    JoeyNzoey Top Dog

    The way I see it is if you think you NEED only papers to own and breed worthy bulldogs, that's like Harvard only accepting royalty and wealthy background kids forget about what the other kids knowledge proves he just won't make it in :rolleyes: it feels in a way as if people who only accept and demand certain things and would throw away something proven simply because of a ONE lacking "product" like a piece of paper, it's very selfish with a tad bit of stubbornness ;)

    Sure I am not saying you need to only obtain unregistered dogs from now on but if your going to think twice over papers and registries it's just selfish in my eyes. I accept things for what they are I won't turn a dog or person away just because they don't come with a high IQ or fancy pedigree. Something proven and something true should be treated with respect and given what they deserve, period.
     
  7. puppdlr

    puppdlr Pup

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    There are places where you can buy a good dog with honest papers. Finding them is your education.
     
  8. Phyzzle

    Phyzzle Big Dog

    Ok If so many people have unregistered dogs how come so many kennels. I know I need paper work just to keep my licence to have the dogs. Purebred lic. New York state law. So an unregistered dog would just make a hassel with the state. Unregistered dogs must be fixed to keep your lic. If it didnt mater why did all the old timers do it. Why were Registry's formed.To keep track of these fine animals. Fed this and Fed that. Thats all we here. Excuses because of so many unregistered dogs. I know their are alot of good dog that are not registered. But come on people. This gives a chance for a mutt come into the mix. So That's why I get my dogs D.N.A profiled. And yes they have a test to tell you if your dog is pure or not. Just look for your self. So I do know all Kennels need to keep their dogs registered in order to be a kennel. Unless your a back yard fake ass fool....And if you didnt talk so much on the net you wouldn't have to worry about the Feds...so their is no excuse to have unregistered dogs... Just my opinion...75% of So called Pitbull attacks are from nonregistered dogs...or dogs that people have no clue were they came from. But I am not putting anyones dogs down at all. :dogdrink:
     
  9. gameexchange

    gameexchange Big Dog

    I'm on both sides of the fence on this. Reason being I woudnt buy a dog that I didnt know how he was bred. Even if there's alot of questionable dogs in the ped as to how they were truely bred I can at least have a slight idea of what I have, which is pretty much what everyone has unless you've been making the breedings of your dogs for 5 + generations and know where they all are for the most part and if that's the case then the paperwork doesnt really matter anymore because you had the dad, grandfather, great grandfather, great great father, etc. so its pretty much your line of dogs. As far as you having paperwork so you can know how to bred it, well I have mixed feelings on that. I myself do stay in the same family of dogs but i will say in this day and age someone has just about "EVERY" single line crossed and for someone it is working fine. Back in the old days those guys kept it wrote down and some didnt even do that and we have some of their dogs in our dogs peds when we're only assuming the ped is right because alot of them didnt keep up with their dogs peds so how all of a sudden we 2 and 3 generations later just hold the paper to be high all mighty when we dont know for sure. In those days if you had a good real deap game dog but he had no mouth or lacked ability well you didnt go to the papers to see what crosses bring it in. You call up your buddies or another dogman that has a dog with those traits you're desiring and throwing it in his offspring consistently. The guys name meant more than his dogs ped. You stuck your dogs together and hope you got were you were looking for. Just think if JEEP, CHINAMAN, REDBOY, BOLIO, etc. peds werent known I "GUARANTEE" people would still be breeding to them like crazy because they're each known for throwing different traits but consistently and who's gonna pass that up. Only a fool with too much pride would. Now on the flip side I do think its good to have paperwork because thanks to those old dogmen we dogmen of today dont really have to try as hard to get what we want because they went through the big trial era so we pretty much know what clicks now but again I believe in breeding good to good and you'll have a better shot at getting more good dogs. Papered non papered. Some people nowadays go buy a pup off one line and buy another pup off another line because they heard that cross works so they already have planned for these pups to be bred no matter how they themselves turn out. I dont believe in that. That's how Joe Blow that has a jeep/redboy/rascal cross doesnt work but the other guy who took his time and judged each individual dog and has the same blood is wreaking havoc with it and joe blow cant figure out why his just arent cutting the mustard. I myself have had alot of dogs and out of all i've only made two breedings and with great results. I went through alot as well. You have to have a ton of patience. Its not so easy to make the grades at my university though so to each his own.
     
  10. ohav4

    ohav4 Big Dog


    The adba has thousands of registered mutts as we speak.. Its true back in the day registries had alot more integrity but now its all about a dollar. Plus alot of true dogmen have stopped registering because of the paper trail... For example.. If a man gets busted and they find peds with your dog in it. All they have to do is contact the registry, find your adress and BOOM!!! Feel me. But I get were your comming from as well.. But when you buy quality dogs you must do some damn good reaserch to make sure everything is legit. I wouldnt buy an unregistered dog from hoobly or craigslist or sum crap like that. But if an honest man with honest dogs with honest history is willing to let an honest dog go for an honest price??? Who wouldnt jump on that.. Unless.. Your worried about your pockets or what others think..:)
     
  11. gh32

    gh32 CH Dog

    First off,New York has some of the dumbest laws in the country,next to California.Not everywhere is like that about having to have unregistered dogs fixed.While several of my dogs are registered,I think when people start putting things above the quality of the dog,it's a mistake.Look at the Gotti/RE dogs,the bullies,ADBA has some registered trash,but would you rather have one of these than a unregistered offspring from a good gamebred dog?I can see why people get tired of registries,they'll register anything and everything.
     
  12. PurePit19

    PurePit19 CH Dog

    People keep talkin about the Feds, when most of know that the reason alot good dogmen are getting busted ain't from them being online. It's from people snitching, and under cover cops. Not to mention the guys/gals who mix drugs and dogs!! Name one person who has been locked up in the last 10 yrs soley because of a registry. If you truely do dogs, you do it at your own risk. Having a non papered or papered dog will not increase or decrease your chances of being investigated. Out of all the busts that happened in the past 2 years, some had registration papers and some only had hand written peds. Do you honestly think there outcomes wouldve been different if they all had hand written peds instead of adba papers.... Fear of a paper trail is not an excuse for not registering dogs. If you choose not too because you prefer hand written, then hey, that's cool. But for those who don't with the excuse of a paper trail, that's bs. The adba doesn't post your win records on peds online, people do it on there own, if you don't do anything wrong, then you shouldn't have anything to fear. And if your active, then don't blame the registry if you so happen to get caught. JMO
     
  13. Its a fact many registered dogs are in fact curs... Not even worth the money
     
  14. malakimax

    malakimax Big Dog

    A dog with out paper work is an evolutionary dead end. ( whether they work out or not ) It pays no respect to the countless people that have painstakingly bred and registered their dogs, nor will it count for anything as the APBT gene pool moves toward the future. It's offspring just become one of countless pitbulls that end up in the pound or worse, in some moron's hands
     
  15. JoeyNzoey

    JoeyNzoey Top Dog

    I completely disagree with you! un papered dogs are not and never will be given a "dead end" just because the registries won't enter them at a show or give their offspring fancy papers along with the package. Why must you need respect only from papered dogs? the apbt that lands in the shelters are from puppy peddlers period, anyone who is doing everything else reputable breeders are responsible with deserves just as much respect vs the person who decides to register dogs that are not guaranteed proven and well rounded litters simply because of paper work. I believe you are downing responsible bulldog owners with un papered dogs vs puppy peddlers my friend.

    What proves to be proven and what makes to be well rounded deserves the respect with a chance period papered or not. How would you feel if a club decides to not register/join your kid just because your parents were never registered with that club but your kid had everything he needed to be in the club?

    Gh32 I completely agree with your last statement!
     
  16. ohav4

    ohav4 Big Dog

    So registered dogs are immune to the pound or an irresponsible owner??? The way I see it.. If you need papers to make you feel confident and comfortable with your dogs then you have wasted your money.. BTW all my dogs have been registered and had ADBA paperwork besides 1 who happened to be my favorite.
     
  17. malakimax

    malakimax Big Dog

    I talking about percentages. Paper work on a dog keeps the value up. If you dog is worth $800 with paper work, then if you get in a pinch you can sell him for $200. With no paper work, maybe the dog is worth $200, and you get in a pinch, then you have to take the dog to the pound, or give it away. "Game-dog, preserving the breed", am I just the only one here that means something to? How are you preserving the breed with un-registered dogs? Having pit-mixes, or pound pits? I think your just lying to your self if you think that your un-registered APBTs are going contribute, or be around in a 100 years in the APBT gene pool.
     
  18. wardogkennels

    wardogkennels Top Dog

    These threads make me laugh because 99% of everyone posting that they don't care about papers will be the first to ask if you have them if they are buying one. I sure like papers but I did pay $1500 for one that didn't have them. Papers will be a deal breaker for me unless I've seen the dog.
     
  19. JoeyNzoey

    JoeyNzoey Top Dog

    As soon as I saw $ in your statement now I can see a bit more clearly as to why you think un registered dogs are given a "dead end".
     
  20. ohav4

    ohav4 Big Dog

    Paperwork keeps his value up?? I dont think so.. I think his work keeps his value up.. A $800 dollar dog that cant work is about as worthless as the papers he came with. Besides its not about making a profit or even breaking even with the dogs. And how is having paperwork have anything to do with preserving the breed?? The only way to preserve the breed is to WORK IT!!! Not breed pretty papers. Its funny how people think having an unregisterd dog equals a pit mix or pound pit. And you shouldnt be worried about un-registerd APBTs being around in 100 years.. you better hope all APBTs will be around in the next hundred years.
     

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