Interesting Opinion on Wind/Stamina from an Old Timer

And if you do win 'on your belly' or on just gameness good luck with your dog or the heartache after!!

 

who the hell said anything about winning from their belly?

now lets say you have two dogs unconditioned same weight

average mouth and ability on both dogs

seeing as how both are unconditioned

they both should run hot preety quick

but the determaning factor on who last the longest is gameness cause a game dog can go an hour off the chaine

but that cur may go thirty mins and feel as though its had enough

conditioning is used for sport to have your dog in top physical condition
but it does not play a role in a dog being game and that dog that crawls to make a scratch I believe he would have done it without condition

cause if its is crawling to make that scratch condition has left him in the water along ways back and hes running on gameness

 

Which is exactly how I interpreted alabama's earlier posts, or did I miss something?

 

if you have a good dog conditioned right gameness isnt going to get tested, as i said before wind and gameness go hand in hand

 

I think it depends on the dog in ? If that dog was taught how to regulate his/her breathing while in a hold. Like sunbeam said, most stop talking after let go and the ones who don't usally do it while waiting to cross.

 

really? so all dogs at shows that go out game or stop was due to being poorly conditioned?

you really believe that or am I not understanding what you're saying

 

i think you realy dont understand conditioning, if a dog stops its a curr theres nothing that fix that, and if you pick up game its not to many scratches away from stopping so how can a dog compete without condition

 

Currs have won matches before!

 

thats that breed for mouth theory

"THE OLD IF I BITE THE HOGG IN HALF HE WONT LEAVE THE WOODS ALIVE" THEORY

back then all you would need is a head son bite aint gonna get it all the time
I would take a dog in the woods that I thought had average/good bite
but liked to keep its mouth close

and hes always suppose to go on the head of the hogg
and hold on

he has to have ability,stamina(good condition),average power,and know his role at different points of the hunt

and to save the best for last gameness

if you breed for to much of one thing you lose something else
its not easy though
but if you find one like this boy you can keep all those freakmouth dogs

 

yes they have I guess you can say the one they beat was an even bigger curr LOL

but there was always those people that would baby sit the the dog and only put it dogs they knew were currs in the ol'days

 

no but if you have one that does you better pick his ass up quick and get him some care cause if you dont your bout to lose a good one.

 

damn skippy!

 

Not always true, it just means that said dog was better that day.

 

Very true! Conditioning does have to do with winning when the clock runs long

 

But don't most of u want silent hunters. I have seen protesters turn out to be deep game, but they were the exception. I have heard and seen long winded game ones whine out of frustration, either to get back to the hunt or inability to get a hold. Two greats come to mind tombstone and buck.

 

Yea everybody has a good point on here but I just wanted to put this in, I heard of a dog not to long ago had a show and at the show she went 1 hour and 46 mins and the whole she was mopping the floor with the hog the whole time. But when handled at the 1:45 to cross the line she stood the line. Let it be known she was in a good keep and when handled she wasnt dragging or nothin she was standing tall not breathing hard or anything she just was a cur. So what im saying is game is more needed then wind but without a good keep you will lose the hunt.

 

Apart from out of fustration gorilla i agree...

@ slim,this was the belief of the person who showed me the dogs,he called it 'the winning way',it didnt matter if he was wide open, if he stood the line at :30,if he was nothing more than an ear suckin punchbag,if he could see the "WIN" in the dog over the opponent he would match.....

He was a no.1 conditioner,the best in the uk at one time and his keep was the same as you described,he believed the match was 9/10 won or lost in the first 40 minutes,not that the match was over in that time,but was WON or LOST in that time.....

 

Apart from out of fustration gorilla i agree...

@ slim,this was the belief of the person who showed me the dogs,he called it 'the winning way',it didnt matter if he was wide open, if he stood the line at :30,if he was nothing more than an ear suckin punchbag,if he could see the "WIN" in the dog over the opponent he would match.....

He was a no.1 conditioner,the best in the uk at one time and his keep was the same as you described,he believed the match was 9/10 won or lost in the first 40 minutes,not that the match was over in that time,but was WON or LOST in that time.....

 

but quite a few win from thier back........