Debating on what to do?

nice to hear that

 

I would hope no kids are allowed to break any fight between two dogs. That is simply irresponsible to have, like many people said on this thread it is about what you saw at that moment. No matter how much these dogs bred to not have that happen, dogs are not perfect they are not machines and they make mistakes just like we do. If it was something really serious then I am sure you know what to do.

 

good call MARTY. like i say sometimes it will happen when you handle.

 

This is the dog were talking about LOL

 

I haven't read the other replys so, sorry if I'm repeating anything but, aggression towards humans is NOT acceptable to me in ANY way shape or form. I don't think he should be put down, but I do think he needs a lot of work and training drilled into him. Sounds like he was caught up in the moment and snapped but, it doesn't matter. If I were you I would try to work this out of him, if you still can't trust him... then put him down.

 

Oh crap Marty. That sucks. If it was my house, I'd put him down but I have little kids here so there can be nothing but rock solid dogs here, especially during high stimuli times. I'm really sorry you're even having to consider this. Been there.

 

If he bites and snaps with no other dog around he SHOULD be put down... He is your dog,you are not his human... I don't care if you were a little ruff or not these dogs are tough and he should be able to tolerate a little roughness... My previous post were concerning this situation, but after I re-read the OP, I refuse to try and save a dog that just bites cause he's agitated.... Put him down marty ...

 

Nice call Marty....

My Buddy is gettin upwards of 13, in his younger days kids could crawl all over him, pull his tail, stick their lil fingers in his eyes, and nothin. He has grown arthritic and last summer a youngster ran and jumped on him while he was laying down, he head butted the kid. The child hurt him as he jumped on his back legs.

I think when an old dog starts to fuss then we owe them the calm their age demands. I do not think either dog showed imbalance...I think they are telling us I'm gettin old and it's time to acknowledge that.

 

I can agree with that statement totally, it all depends on if your willing to deal with it or not, some guys will and others won't!

The bad thing is hes a house pet so a reality check in pecking order might be in need! I.E. a foot in the ass lol Jokin!:rolleyes:

 

There is a fine line there - one of my dogs when he is worked up over another dog will grab at the leash and bite in the air, but I can grab his collar and he won't touch me - he will turn his head, but then think better of it. It is as if even in a crazy state, he can still discern that that isn't OK. Knowing how he is though, I am slow and steady when handling him in that state of mind and don't grab him rough - if they have little or no time/space to process who/what is grabbing them, they may just react badly. The key as with any bulldog is knowing your dog and what he can and can't handle- then just don't allow him in a situation that he can't handle. If he is fine with people outside of DA redirection and you can manage that, then I think you have decided the right thing.

 

oh bulldog

look snatch him up and whoop the helk out of him ,, right then i'd taught him a lesson, and a good one,, would i put this dog down? no :cool::cool: some but very few dogs but some dont like being pulled by there neck hair,, i seen one that would squel in pain if you pull there,, i would have stripped off my belt right there and got him good,, just like kid they have to be managed, he may have had a sore spot from a collier of chain,,

Marty this may have been a sore spot for him. i wouldnt,, but i would have got him the second he done it so he knew what he was getting it for,,, if it was a sore spot you could easily replicate it and if its not sore replicate it and bust his ash good and try it again the next day with a belt in the hand so he see it,,, and see if he's brave enough,,, even we have tempermental days,,ya know

 

first off this dog can be broke from that,,a good ash whoopin and he would be fine,, but iwould ccheck for sore or tender spots,,, take 2 fingers and lightly poke on and around his neck,, he my have a boil under hair and skin,,, man i got bit good one time and talk about it on here years ago but i was breaking up 2 of mine and finally got one and reached to get the other as she was coming back in ans my hand went right in her mouth,,by accident,,, she chomped twice and noticed it was me and just stopped completely like she knew she accidently hurt me,,, and was all over me cause she thought i was hurt,, bleeding pretty good but i shouldnt have been in the middle of a scermish and snatching after her holding the other and i just was alittle quicker and my hand went into her mouth,,,

she was the best dog i ever had,,,bar non,,, never would that dog got put down,,

if he wasnt sore i would have slapped him curly like a pomerainean

 

i didnt read it all before i wrote it,,,

MARTY you made the right deciesion, i might have slapped his d1ck in the dirt but he's a good dog and you know that,,, everyonce in the while when you have dogs
do do happens,, he wasnt point aggression at you,,, but i would check out his neck for sore spots

 

No offense, but if he mauls the shit out of you, it would be your fault. You should be able to grab what ever skin you want, grab his balls and not get bit. He didn't bite you on accident, he bit you on purpose to let him go, next time he bites alittle harder, and then what?? The thing that kills me is that you are not a greenhorn and you are sticking up for the dog, i don't get it. First he crawls, then he nips, then bite, then he kills you. Breakdown, dismember and then kill; that is the bulldog way.

 

well to me, that dog failed a stress full situation, i had man biters before, and to be honest, dog is not perfect, u have 2 dogs in the house.

u know what i would do, i would explain the story to the members in more detail. we wanna know everything, i think its unfair for the dog and for u, im leaning mre toward cull, i like a PERFECT example of apbt. dog failed an intense complex situation. that was a good test.

but again, as tough as it is, just tell us the story in more detail from start to finish, the dog's life depends on this story.:o

 

depends on the environement, thats a house dog, dog MUST be able to handle all situations around kids around strangers , dog must be in TOP temperment for me to choose it as a house dog, thats why animals should always be in the backyard.

i thought we are trying creat the perfect apbt, a dog with top temperment, we should be very strict.

if he really loves the dog, desex` and put in the backyard. best decision, if he loves the dog, hel i cried once when they put my first dog down. i loved the dog. so i understand how tough it is.

 

My three old girls had a ton of health issues in their old age, everything from bone cancer, to arthritis, kidney, liver, heart issues and Venus was so senile she'd stare in the corners for the longest time, just clued out. lol Cool thing was, they never ONCE got bitchy. They retained their rock solid temperment right up until they passed in our arms. Even with the kids. I've seen the kids accidentally trip on them, and the dogs yelp in pain and then turn around and kiss the kids in the face. Even Tank and Arez. They are both ten, still rock solid, and if the day ever comes that they start to go down hill temperment wise, even because of old age, it will be the day I set them free. I'm a real hard ass when it comes to temperment though, as nothing but the best get to share their lives with my kids.

Maybe a little NILIF is in order if he's going to be a house dog. Waking up beside you in bed may be part of his problem. He thinks he's runnin' the show. If you truely think it's not his temperment, maybe you're spoiling him a bit too much and he's starting to get too big for his boots. Not that I think that is any sort of excuse, but changing how he's handled, may bring about an improvement.

 

Hell no. They not allowed to break any fights. But kids are goin to be kids. They don't always do what they are told or supposed to do. So again I say. What if it was a kid (or some one else in the house)? Maybe not even breaking up a fight just being a kid and pullin his neck and he don't like it. This is a house dog. I wouldn't leave it up to kids to do what they are told. especialy in that sittuation. when I was young I probably would have went to break it up. I would need to have the confedence in my dog.


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Marty knows bulldogs...I am sure he has enough experience with these dogs to make the right decision for him and Rufus.

It is wise to respect an old animal....period. If your animal can tolerate anything more power to you. But a dog is an animal, and an animal in pain is going to act like an animal IMO. So if you know this and you are 100% sure your animal will tolerate the pain, then you know what environment the dog can be in. If there is an inkling of doubt about the situation you have placed that animal in, knowing the dogs circumstance - age in this example, well the humans are the one with the ability to reason....not the animal.

 

I agree with this 100%