why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

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I don't know what you mean by real dogs? Seems to me like you're from england, biased, hung up on looks(which says a lots about you) and dont have a clue about having a real dog.

 

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The Bulldog, thousands of years selection. Where has he originated? Europe? America? Neither. Both cultures are too young. If we pursue his noble roots , in the end, we land with the oldest cultures of the world in East. The Indians and Persians which created also oldest and best game-fowl (Aseel fathers of the US. hatch fowl)) produced these small short-haired fighters . However where these dogs are selected according to her genetic task they survive the next centuries, the next millenniums.

 

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English! Do you speak it? 'Cause you sure don't write it worth a damn.

Staffybulls are fine dogs, but if they were such great fighters, people would fight them. If they were any good for hog hunting, people might hunt hogs with them. The fact that noone does either with a Staffybull should tell you something. Staffys don't exactly dominate weightpull or light the world on fire as bulldogs either. Staffys are neat dogs, but not APBTs.

And I thought the Blue Paul was a Scottish breed.

 

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This seems to be a 'my dog is better than your dog' type of argument in the making. :rolleyes:

I appreciate your passion blue paul, but you will probably find that most here have the same passion for their dogs. What works for you, and your beliefs about the same, may not hold a lot of water in a community dedicated to the APBT.

I've never been to Europe to see what's up with the dogs there, until that time I can't really say one way or another. All I know is that I have never seen, nor heard, anything that would lead me to believe that those dogs are better than what I've seen or heard about here. Until that happens, I'll remain steadfastly dedicated to my breed of choice, the American Pit Bull Terrier.

In fact, has not jolly old England banned the importation of the APBT? Are they not actually trying to eradicate any breed of dog with this type of history? What happened to the honor and respect that England had for these dogs?

Granted, all I hear is what is written in the papers, but it seems as if England would rather forget their history when it comes to this.

P.S.-before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, my heritage is purely English on my fathers side. He was a first generation Canadian so I have the right LOL

P.P.S-To respond to the original question, many years of work went into improving on what was originally imported, with improvement comes change.

 

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Great post man!14rock

 

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I am speachless......(thank GOD)

 

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I guys, I have just been following this thread, found it quite interesting as I have spent a few years in England. One thing I do not understand is why so many of us here in the US think the hogs ppl breed here are staffy bulls. When I was over there I never saw anything like the blue stuff we have over here, the staffs they have there although shorter and of a more stocky appearance are by no means 80-100 pound mutts. At the same time by no mean are they APBT but damit I just hate it when people refer to the blue mutts as staffordshire bull terriers when they are not even that.

 

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I really like this one on that site. http://www.wmkennels.com/gallery/groll.jpg

 

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I think you may be confusing the "slang" terms staffy bull and bully. A staffy bull is a staffordshire bull terrier. A bully (American Bully), is as you said the dogs that are heavier, shorter (often blue) and of a more stocky appearance. Two different terms referring to two different breeds.

 

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VERY WELL SAID!

 

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I didn't understand this at all. How does the bulldog relate to Asils?

 

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Very easy to understand .
Aseel are the oldest and best fight chickens and Bulldogs the best fighting dogs. There is Aseel in England and in America. Their true roots lie somewhere else. All old and really noble domestic animal races go back on the oldest cultures , e.g., greyhounds, Arabian horses, Aseel and in my opinion also Bulldogs. Then with the help of these ancient originals in runs to the time are many different domestic animal races resulted. This counts to horses, chickens, however, also dogs.Hard to understand ?

 

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In the case of Asils, they did originate thousands of years ago. However, you said that its your opinion Bulldogs originated the same way. My first post in regards to the APBT never claimed that they originated anywhere. I concurred with Mia that they were perfected here in America. Again, keyword being perfected.

 

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A few things that need to be clarified. English Staffs, are more similar to APBT's than they would be to what we consider "Staffs" in america (overdone, bred for looks, with little to no drive). Great little dogs. However, you cannot declare because one fantastic dog, over 100 years ago, when the sport had a fraction of the competition and knowledge it does today, has any real significance in modern times.

Secondly, this is not a strictly-APBT forum as has been said in this thread. It is for the education, of all "pitbull" type dogs, specifically working ones. The majority of English Staffs, are indeed working dogs.

 

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Staffordtribute.info > for working staff's

http://www.staffordtribute.info/photogallery/index.html > Gallery

When I was in the UK I had a nice male bred down from Diamond Jim with a Little of Fiery Jacks Pet on the Dam's side.

 

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I disagree. I dont think they were perfected.
I think maybe today we have as good workers like the Bulldogs which came between 1600 and 1850 with Irishmen Scots and Englishmen to America . Maybe. Maybe we have today dogs which show the quality of Galvins Pup. Maybe. I do not think the Clarks tramp or Ch Billy Sunday was a horse during today's APBTs are super-sport-cars. I think in most cases it is the other way round. Well however .... an important thing the Americans have made very right. They left her genetic task to the Bulldogs. Therefore, we also have even today dogs one can call Bulldogs without lying.

 

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my bitch has got fiery jack pet in her dam's side! hes in the photo gallery on the link above about a 3rd of the way through! i also LOVE the picture where the staffordhire is flying through the air at the american pitbull near the end , showing the true drive of a staffordhire bull.