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ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [21655] :: SORRELL'S BULL. AND here is Bull the dog that became the center peace of the Sorrells family.

 

Bama excellent addition to the post

 

interesting idea,but snooty is far far back in the peds. he is 6th generation in mup and in his grandson and granddaughters (they r only alive now) its 8th generation.
these genes of snooty r washed up and also the sorrels blood. silver had sorrel's bull in 5th generation and in this time,pera have silver in 3rd gemeratopm of his dog. so its 8th generation to sorrel's bull. so offspring of that,would be 9th generation bull.
this blood is washed up.

it will be easier for u to understand if u open up bull's ped.

now u will see he is mix of colby's rowdy and ferguson's centipede.
U will agree he doesnt have much of charateristic of that blood,he is blood for itself.

like u dont have much of ur grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand father.

if u watch like silver and mup bloodline and that each ones weakness was the others strength,then u could go like that,but its a risk. u can get weakness of both lines in that dog?

but maybe it would be good,who knows...

 

I would have had to see for myself Boris..And depends on how you look at it when u say its that far back in a ped..Yes this is true but that's why we breed to maintain the characteristics and traits of a dog that becomes then a family.I know each breeder puts his own twist as to what he likes but the blue print is still there.Really if we didn't believe so we.wouldn't use words like Alligator cross , snooty cross, redboy cross etc etc.
Because we know those dogs have been dead a long time but we still use the terminology because even if I have a redboy dog named leroy he is still a redboy dog..

 

Oh and sorry my friend...I see Bull as a Fitzwater Goldie / Dibo cross...Don M was the first to make this cross and lots of good dogs came from it.

 

Bama, Klaus' Zeke... Goldie/Dibo cross or not?
I believe a very good Bolio dog would compliment that Mup line of dogs like a glove fits a hand.
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [43] :: INDIAN BOLIO

 

Indian Bolio and Sorrells have same father who is Zeke..So Bolio and Bull are actually half brothers..Hell yea i would have tried it with Bolio.The thing is they already had what they needed lol..But sure Bolio would have been as good of a choice as Sorrells.

 

Oh And yes Zeke was Goldie / Dibo cross.

 

no,u didnt understand me. i know which mix he is,i wanted to say that its like we say he have charateristics or breeding of centipede/rowdy,cause they r so far in pedigree like dogs of silver-mup bloodlines would be today.

9 generations... i wanted to represent u how far it is in the ped.

u said its fitztwater goldi and dibo cross.

yes,i agree,but goldi is in 2nd and 3rd gen of ped while dibo is in 4th and 5th. and thats exactly what i am trying to tell u...

dogs today,we call silver blood,cause silver is in 3rd,4th,5th generation in ped...

 

So your pretty much saying, example, I have elixbolio dogs some even say boyles however those dogs are so far back that I don't call them that, I call the geachiman dogs because that dog is who I chose to breed around, I would call them that because he is in my 2nd 3rd and 4th generations of my pedigree. Am I understanding your explanation boris?

 

yes Boris you call it Silver blood because this is the dog Pera bred around,,but it's still Sorrells ..This is what I am saying.Sure it happens a lot when a dog from a bloodline makes a name for himself and produces good.I mean look how many different strains of Eli their is but at the end of the day it's still Eli.

 

I want the link to Black Mup shows if anybody knows where they are at.

 

Just google gr ch black mup vs ch silver, the first link will have the shows,
or you can type gr ch black mup vs ch silver 56.com

 

I will upload all of his stuff soon and post a link. i apologize for not doing it so soon,but i was busy about dogs and work and couldnt catch time.

well its same answer on ur 2 posts. yes, i call it silver blood now,cause all breedings he is doing on silver,or cross him with some other and then again return on silver.

why do u call some dogs jeep blood,or red boy,jocko,eli? arent they all from colby or somebody else when u trace pedigree? u call them cause they gave major impact on some dogs and these colby dogs r already far deep in pedigree. people started breedings on jeep and later he got his own bloodline right?

 

Yes thats right Boris , I said it earlier some dogs go on to make a name for themself and ptoduce good .And yes your right if you want to call it Silver blood he did make a name for himself and did produce in your country.But the reason we do say for example call Silver is still Sorrells is its easier to keep up with and you know what it came from..Ok now some breeders have went on to cross 3 to 4 different bloodlines to create thier own line of dogs.Take Bert Sorrells for example zeke x boomerang x bullyson x stu fowler.

 

yeah,we understand each other completly...

 

At the end of the day Mup was beaten by the better dog on the day, excuses are just that. The record books don't like, Silver had the style to beat the come forward plodder.

 

Just my opinion. If Silver was a cross for example 75% Sorrels and 25% Eli, then I would find it reasonable to name the strain he made, Silver line. But the dog is 100% pure Sorrel's and I don't find it logical to separate him from the rest of the line, except marketing purposes... If you do a cross and the litter works and produces, then is common sense to name it a separate line.
For example, if Kid (who is about 50% Silver"Sorrel's" and 50% AC/DC"Hammond's") who already proved himself, produces winners and producers and double-bred his daughter's etc. then I would name that Kid line!
I don't find the logic of naming Silver descedants (who are 50% or less Sorrel's), a Silver line. Name it Golden King's line! That would be more honest!

 

but silver blood is mostly crossed with the eli blood you mentioned and dogs from there are called silver bloodline. we cant call silver as silver bloodline,he is sorrel dog 100%
i am talking about dogs out of him. for kid we can say he is silver / hammond mix here. you really think he have genes of sorrel dogs who are in like 6th or 7th generation in his pedigree?
opinions can be different, but in my opinion,i would call kid a silver/hammond mix. silver would be sorrel dog.

 

If the line was linebred on Silver, I would agree on your argument. But he was crossed!
So his offspring are mostly Sorrels/ Jumbo, or Snooty or Hammonds mixes. If he was bred to Sorrels or even Bolio bitches (Zeke based), we would call that breedings based on Silver's bloodline and his descedants would be Silver bloodline. You can't call Silver bloodline when the bloodline that made Silver is only behind him...

Take Frisco for example. The most succesfull breeding he had, was with Lee Ling. Both of them are Chinaman/Bolio. So, his offspring is Frisco bloodline and so are the next generation bred the same way. If you study the next generations of Frisco bloodline, is "crossed" within the family. This didn't happen with Silver.

If you want to talk about traits on individuals and how Silver's traits are present in present dogs, I can't argue with that and I can't have an opinion either...