Ide say your right there...ide put it as the Fell types are a culmination of Northern terriers..
I have to just say aswell that the Fell witch is now wrongly called Paterdale..was not the type of terrier bred actully in Paterdale.
As Plummer points out in his book,the terriers bred in the patterdale area were rough coated terriers of a red or tan color.of the type bred by the Barkers of Patterdale..the type witch Garry Middilton carryd on breeding.a Lakeland rather then a Fell/Patterdale.
the black dogs witch we call Patterdales now days origeinated more towards Lancishire by breeders like Breay and Buck and then Later Nuttall carryd on breeding these black terriers.
Breay and Buck its true.denide useing bull blood in there terriers.
but they did..i no a lad who contacted Nuttall him self in the early 2000s.and alas!Nuttall says hes only got APBT X Fells at the moment for sale.
now in all fairness to Nuttall.he actully never denide bull blood being in his dogs.Buck and Breay denide it admitidly..but Nuttal never as his interweiw in Plummers book will show.
in Plummers book Nuttall says his grandfather took two of his terriers to the Northhumbeland mining districts to be blatently mated to the Pit bred dogs in that area..i think this was in the 1920s.
Frain interveiws Nuttall in his book 'Patterdale terrier'
and Nuttall tells of Buck bringing a long a pied Bull Terrier on a Badger dig to hold the Badger at the end.he also metions this Bull Terrier was just as keen on grabing the terriers as it was the Badgers lol.
ive also got another interview of Nutrall in a book by J Darcy.and he also says in that interview theres bull blood in his terriers through Bucks Bull Terrier and thorough the pit dogs used by his grandad.
im not sure why Buck and Breay denind it?as every terrier breed has got a touch of Bull blood somewere in there ped.
you can seen the bull in the head on some of them.even a blind man could.
you can also see some that show sighns of Border terrier in the head.and ofcourse some show very strong sighns of Bedlington blood.(i no one such dog and its indentical apart from its black color to a Bedlington.its even got that weird walking gait of the Bedlington!)and all these types can appear in the same litter.its curious but the Bull headed ones act rather Bullish to.and the Border headed ones seem rather laid back and quiet with a crisp coat-just like a Border!
clearly showing there ansetery.
@T.C.P....have you norticed any of what im saying in litters of your own terriers???
@SOULDOG ill try and PM you the Nuttall interview out of Plummers book when ive got time....ide put it on the board but ive already put enough stuff,and i really dont want to be printing full chapters because i suppose copy rights and all..but im just doing this to help you understand the origen of these terriers..
Anyways all the best folks.
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